Quote Originally Posted by Mo-Nercy
A lot of people work Griever into to R=U theory. The fact that Squall gives Rinoa his Griever ring and that Ultimecia uses the Griever as a GF later convinces many that Rinoa/Ultimecia summoned Griever from the ring much like Doomtrain is summoned out of a ring.

But I gave up this argument a long time ago. I don't even know what I side I was on.
This may sound dumb......ok it does sound dumb but what if Squall actually IS Griever. He said something about if Rinoa ever turned bad he'd become her knight......perhaps she changed him when he became her knight. Its possible, i mean Darth Vader was Lukes father