I have no idea how we're meant to decide between Coldplay and Crazy Frog.
I mean really.
It's like trying to choose between being burnt to death, or being melted in acid.
Although if the choice was either of those songs and fire or acid, I know which I'd take...
They shoulda released the actual Army boys' version of Is This The Way To Amarillo?. That was pwnz.
Elvis, though, suggests not quite all is lost.
Pretty certain no training would be required...Originally Posted by Ste
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Well put, Mr. Milf. xD
You completely missed the point...that's all your opinions. Numbers are facts. Reguardless of what you say, you can't deny 5 million people buying a CD. You can say "oh that sucks so bad and it's not good" all day...but why? Just because you don't like the way it sounds?
You're the kind of people I'm talking about. Just because you don't like it doesn't automatically make it "bad music". "Good music" is like saying "good art" (well, it is, because music is an art)...which is just an ignorant statement. And then, if popularity is a matter of who's stupid and who isn't, wouldn't that make the one who is going with the opposite (you) the idiot?
Don't get me wrong, there's a ton of chart topping songs I've heard and been like "ugh...what the hell?"...but I realize just because I don't like it doesn't make it "bad" or "good".
I like Kung-Fu.
at least there top hits arent frickin green day and my chemical romance.
...Whom I consider relatively good bands.
Yay for more subjective views on music!
It's all music, get the hell over it, if you don't like it don't listen to it, turn off the TV or radio.
Nobody is FORCING you to listen to music you don't like.
Exactly.
I like Kung-Fu.
No. I liked Busted, despite me being quite a grunge freak. They made POP Music, which was good POP songs. Does it matter how many chords are used? In most Hip Hop, there is no chords, just a note.Busted. Top of the charts for ages (till they split up - there is a god) but they knew about 3 chords and had deep and meaningful lyrics like "air hostess, i like the way you dress" so without any musical value whatsoever basically. you could train a monkey to write a better song.
I don't pay attention to the charts anymore.
"I think you'd make any (nice) woman happy... & I think you really deserve for someone to make you happy too for a change"
Anyone who says "Yes" can be pointed towards U2.The Police, too, and the Beach Boys. Oh, and Bob Dylan.
Bow before the mighty Javoo!
I'm not saying popular music is a lesser form of music. But the reason the popular music is popular is not because it's the best music the consumers can imagine. It's because it's what they hear on the radio and on television. The average music listener is not interested in music enough to actually look into what it is. The average music listener chooses availability over quality, as he does not feel obliged to form an own opinion on the subject. He assumes that what's played on MTV and the radio is all there is to music, picks out favourites amongst whatever he's fed and purchases it. Why would he listen to an artist or a band not even good enough to get played on the radio? The most popular artists are merely clones of previous artists, whose music or apparence proved to grant a large economical income. This completely removes the art aspect of music. The best think that could happen to the music industry is the complete abolishment of record companies. They are far from a necessity for the future composing of music's existence, as the true musician doesn't create music for financial purposes. He creates music as art, preferably for his own satisfaction. All that record companies do today is making money on the behalf of others, changing artists' and bands' music, replacing originality with publicity. What I'm trying to say is that, what gets good distribution by record companies and the media is not the result of an objective research, made to define musical quality. Public demand does not control what's shown in the media. It's the other way around.
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I would be very interested to know if all those people who buy Busted albums would actually enjoy whatever it is that you think is better music as much as they do enjoy Busted.
Bow before the mighty Javoo!
one of the points i was trying to make, but made better.
to Bobs first post, i made the comparison because, despite fake plastic trees (or any singles from the bends - Just, Street Spririt, High and Dry) not charting well, if they got played at a music festival, just about everyone would be singing along. Kind of makes my point again, just because something doesnt sell lots, doesnt mean its not popular.
You may not know who the song is by, or what its called, but you will know at least one of those songs ive listed, if not 2 or 3. I was actually having a discussion with a friend a few months ago, and went round the common room testing everyone in there. over 90% had heard at least two of the songs (and there are about 2 radiohead fans in my whole school mind you), its not some sort of conclusive proof, but again it helps me try and explain. im going to admit ive heard all about you about 5 times, and in my opinion i dont like it, and i dont think it will last the test of time, nor will mcfly or busted as bands.
Im not trying to say the music i like is "good", and music i dont like is "bad", im not that arrogant. I dont think the music i like is actually good (some is), but i enjoy it anyway. as im sure busted fans enjoy their music. just wanted to make sure those lines didnt get lost
but the fact remains that if 1 million people buy a record and its at number 1 for ages, doesnt make it popular, it could well mean that 59 million people dont like it and all the ones who do like it bought it.
on the busted issue, i stand by my statement "you could train a monkey to write a better song" than air hostess. i personally hate it, some people my find the childrens book rhyming schemes catchy and great (or very annoying), but the fact stands that it isnt musically a good song. it requires little or no skill to play. check the tab yourself busted tab
(it turns out they do actually use 4 chords, sorry lads, but A minor is just E moved across one string) oh and
"I messed my pants
When we flew over France
Will I see you soon
In my hotel room" speaks for itself.
i guess my main gripe with busted really is the fact that it could just be one of them playing the guitar and singing, (okay there is a bloke playing a drum beat and another one playing a mostly open guitar riff, but pop bands/single artists tend to have them anyway)
oh and jack, when you are trying to be a "serious indie band" with lyrics like the ones i said, it isnt neccesary as bob pointed out, but it can help
meh, end of my busted rant for now.
but back on the point of the threas, how many people think that the crazy frog is a good song, a noise stolen off a website over the top of a tv theme tune....
AMBITION MAKES YOU LOOK PRETTY UGLY
KICKING SQUEALING GUCCI LIL PIGGY
Phew, for a minute there, i lost myself
i never said any of those things. im just saying, they think there top hits are bad, and i think our top hits are worse. because,you know, emo crap sucks.
Haha.
Greenday and MCR aren't emo.
You really know nothing about music, do you?
popular music isn't goo dmusic at all.Half the time instruments aren't used lbha blha blah corperation backed blah blah no creative vblah.Anyway the reason its even widely listened to is because its marketed towards young teens who don't know a cat from a dog.lol.Kids are bombarded with whats "cool" and "in" since they first start watching TV.And these corporations are smart enough to tell these teens to say "sakuar the best musical artist ever."All you need is a bunch of crappy teenage girls and its popular.The deal is though there are very very few music that gets heard and liked by a large fanbase and its actually good.
thats why the genre pop music jsut means what it says popular.a bunch of teenage girls and oldman who wish to screw the pop singer who is hot probaly.Thats the largest fan base and there is so many fan bases trust me you haven't heard goo dmusic if oyu think pop music is good music.
Out of curiosity, do you think Barbara Ann is a good song? The one by the Beach Boys.
A Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Oh Barbara Ann take my hand
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Barbara Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
You got me rockin' and a rollin'
Rockin' and a reelin' Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Went to a dance looking for romance
Saw Barbara Ann so I thought I'd take a chance
Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Oh Barbara Ann take my hand
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Barbara Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
You got me rockin' and a rollin'
Rockin' and a reelin' Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Say Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Oh Barbara Ann take my hand
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Barbara Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
You got me rockin' and a rollin'
Rockin' and a reelin' Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Tried Betty Lou
Tried Peggy Sue
Tried Betty Lou but I knew she wouldn't do
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Oh Barbara Ann take my hand
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Barbara Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
You got me rockin' and a rollin'
Rockin' and a reelin' Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Oh Barbara Ann take my hand
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Barbara Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
You got me rockin' and a rollin'
Rockin' and a reelin' Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Barbar Ann
Barbar Ann
Three chord song, that. Stood the test of time as far as I'm concerned. Lyrics? Crap. Amount of chords? Minimal. Song? Great.
It's opinion. Just because Air Hostess has crap lyrics and only four chords doesn't make it a bad song. Not everyone sings along, not everyone needs brilliant lyrics (I don't like a lot of songs with good lyrics and I like a lot of songs with crap lyrics). Will Air Hostess stand the test of time? Maybe not, probably not. But that doesn't mean it's not popular. A lot of people listened to it and a lot of people enjoyed it. So long as the sound is okay, I'm more often than not fine with the song. AH wasn't a favourite of mine by any means but I didn't mind it on the radio or TV every once in a while. I just don't mind the sound of the song. Is that so bad? No, it's not. Barbara Ann is the same. Great song as far as I'm concerned, although I can't listen to it many times in a row like I can with some. I just love the sound of it.
You can't assume based on your quick school study that you're right. A lot of people do buy this music and at the time of it being released they obviously thought it was more worth buying than any other single. That to me means it's a #1 and that to me means it's popular. Because it is. To say a #1 single isn't popular is pretty rubbish, as far as I'm concerned. Just because it's not popular amongst 59 million people doesn't mean it's not popular amongst that 1 million that bought it. And my money is on there being a lot more than just those that buy the single that actually enjoyed the song.
Bow before the mighty Javoo!
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