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    Quote Originally Posted by Big D
    However, would that include the 'right' to burn a flag as a gesture of racial hatred? Like if some anti-Semite burned an Israeli flag during a neo-nazi rally. That's not a 'right' I'd like to see protected
    Does it matter? Neo-nazis are going to express anti-semitism like it or not, because they are anti-semites. Does it matter if they do so by burning a flag, rather than by carrying around swastikas?

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    i'm distinctly remembering an old episode of futurama where Zoidberg ate the flag to show his appreciation for his freedom to eat it. Then they persecuted him and the supreme court found him guilty. wow the future really sucks.
    In the end the people learned to understand the meaning behind his actions and supported his beliefs, giving him another flag to eat.

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    Any non-violent("peaceful") means or protest are constitutionally protected. This logically includes flag-burning.

    The whole idea is absurd. It doesn't even deserve further consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
    Quote Originally Posted by Big D
    However, would that include the 'right' to burn a flag as a gesture of racial hatred? Like if some anti-Semite burned an Israeli flag during a neo-nazi rally. That's not a 'right' I'd like to see protected
    Does it matter? Neo-nazis are going to express anti-semitism like it or not, because they are anti-semites. Does it matter if they do so by burning a flag, rather than by carrying around swastikas?
    I guess my objection to flag-burning is because of personal disdain. I see it as a pointless gesture, designed to anger others rather than proving any kind of point. Just my opinion.

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    If flag burning is made illegal, then on the bright side, flag burning in protest will hold more meaning. People who burn flags after the passing of this amendment will be sacrificing their freedom (going to jail, I would imagine) to protest their loss of freedom. I've always thought that protesting without any personal risk has little value. People remember the illegal civil disobedience of MLK Jr, Rosa Parks and Ghandi, but noone remembers the names of the protesters that wave a sign and make a lot of noise on a street corner. This amendment will do more for the signifigance of flag burning than the politicians probably imagine. It'll make it actually mean something. As it stands now, flag burning is an impact-neutered publicity stunt.
    Knock yourselves down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big D
    guess my objection to flag-burning is because of personal disdain. I see it as a pointless gesture, designed to anger others rather than proving any kind of point. Just my opinion.
    I don't understand why. To me, it's just another form of protest. I don't like it because it really dosen't have much meaning to me, it's just pure folklore. As Garland says, if this got passed, then it would not be something empty, but defying the law. Then I would defend flag burning, because I could see the point perfectly.

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    I guess my objection to flag-burning is because of personal disdain. I see it as a pointless gesture, designed to anger others rather than proving any kind of point. Just my opinion.
    I don't like flag burning, but I recognize the right to express an opinion. I don't like communism, but I recognize the right of communists to have and to speak their beliefs.

    A flag is private property, plain and simple. I don't understand people who would break their computers with a sledgehammer, but I recognize their right to own, to use, and to destroy their own property as they see fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
    Quote Originally Posted by Big D
    guess my objection to flag-burning is because of personal disdain. I see it as a pointless gesture, designed to anger others rather than proving any kind of point. Just my opinion.
    I don't understand why. To me, it's just another form of protest. I don't like it because it really dosen't have much meaning to me, it's just pure folklore. As Garland says, if this got passed, then it would not be something empty, but defying the law. Then I would defend flag burning, because I could see the point perfectly.
    I see your point. I suppose the situation's different when you're talking about the removal of an existing right. In America, with civil rights issues being what they are, the removal of the flag-burning right could be seen as indicitive of a wider trend. On those grounds, I'd oppose that kind of law change.

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    that's a good political cartoon.
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    Pretty accurate, too.

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    Aha. I was wondering why in the hell everyone liked the cartoon so much until I read the words on the lighter. I thought it was supporting banning the flag-burnings.

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