quick question about ragnarok

[MAS82587]

which one should i choose the magicite or the sword? is there a way to get the ultima spell without the ragnarok esper?

[tailz]

u should chose the sword coes u can learn ultima with the paladin shield and there is no other way to get the ilumnia

[Alexander]

The Magicite. It means Ultima earlier. And Illumina is overrated.

And to get a Paladin Shield, you must battle 255 TIMES with the Cursed Shield. That gives you lots of status ailments and cut down your stats. Enjoy it.

You can steal a Ragnarok from a boss in Kefka's Tower. Don't remember which one.

[MAS82587]

thanks all

[TheAbominatrix]

Wear a ribbon when you equip the Cursed Shield, to cut down on the nasty side effects.

[Masamune·1600]

is there a way to get the ultima spell without the ragnarok esper?

Actually, there are several ways. Obviously, uncursing the Cursed Shield yields a Paladin Shield, which can teach Ultima. However, Terra automatically learns the spell at Level 99. If Terra has Ultima, then Gogo could also use it. Either the Paladin Shield or Ragnarok Esper is necessary for the entire party to have access to the spell, though.

You can steal a Ragnarok from a boss in Kefka's Tower. Don't remember which one.

You can steal a Ragnarok sword from Girl (in the final battle sequence). However, you cannot actually save acquisition of the weapon.

[Alexander]

Wear a ribbon when you equip the Cursed Shield, to cut down on the nasty side effects.

1- Ribbons are a pain to steal.

2- Ribbon does not cut Condemned down. And they don't boost your stats, Cursed Shield cuts them all by 7.

I still prefer the Esper. The summon effect is useful. XD

[Masamune·1600]

2- Ribbon does not cut Condemned down.

Just run around on Solitary Island. The Peepers will die from inherent Seizure status long before Condemned becomes an issue.

[MAS82587]

and while we are on all these topics, where is the best place for me to find doom gaze or whatever his name is? ive fought him like twice and i just vanish-xzoned him. do i actually have to fight him to get something special?

[Braindead_Paul]

Wear a ribbon when you equip the Cursed Shield, to cut down on the nasty side effects.

1- Ribbons are a pain to steal.

2- Ribbon does not cut Condemned down. And they don't boost your stats, Cursed Shield cuts them all by 7.

1. There are several ways to get a ribbon.

2. It's quite a long countdown. You should be able to beat most enemies before it ends, so it's nothing to worry about. I didn't even have to do some extra fights to uncurse the shield. I just went on doing side quests and some leveling up which I would have done anyway.

That's why I recommend the sword. You can learn Ultima from the Paladin Shield (which is not THAT hard/annoying to uncurse, if you just use a ribbon and go on with the game). And the Illumina is really worth it. Btw. it boosts your stats by 7, so it compenstates the Cursed Shield's effects; equip a Ribbon and the Illumina and the Cursed Shield won't have any effect but "condemn" your character and that's really acceptable, as you not only get Utlima but also the best piece of armor in the game.
And the summon is quite useless. It will take even longer to get something valuable from it than uncursing the Paladin Shield. You won't need the stuff you can get using Metamorph anyway...

On the other hand of course, it's cool to get Ultima so early in the game and to have an additional esper, so it's up to your preferences. If you tend to use a lot of magic (and have an economizer), it might be better to get the Esper...

and while we are on all these topics, where is the best place for me to find doom gaze or whatever his name is? ive fought him like twice and i just vanish-xzoned him. do i actually have to fight him to get something special?

I'm sorry, but as far as I know, you don't get anything if you use Vanish-X-Zone/Doom on him. Otherwise you'd have received Bahamut...

[MAS82587]

where is a good spot to look for him?

[boys from the dwarf]

i think ultima is learned by celes too at level 99

[x_Hopeless_Deviate_x]

I thought Celes learned Meteor at level 99???

[tailz]

celes doesnt learn ultima but learns meteor at lvl98

[MAS82587]

Well, if you fly around enough, you will eventually encounter Doom Gaze. However, if you saved after defeating it with Vanish/X-Zone, both Doom Gaze and the Bahamut Magicite are gone.

actually i did do the vanish/xzone on him and he did come back.