Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
forcing people to withstand extremes of hot and cold is torture. sleep depravation is torture. forcing men to crap themselfs is torture. it's a flagrant breach of human rights. would you like to be held in conditions like that? is that america's freedom and justice? humanity? we are not even talking guilty men here. they are fundamentally innocent. most of them don't even know what they are accused of.

and it is disgusting. it's hypocritical. it's wrong. it's a war crime. a human rights crime. a crime strictly defined so thoroughly in plenty of treaties. a crime i would want every man involved put on trial at the hague for. torture. i dare anyone hear to go out and buy a puppy and treat it in the same conditions.
First off, they aren't innocent. They're people picked up on the battlefield trying to blow up American soldiers. If that's innocent then there can never be a guilty person.

And I stand by my words. Torture means that you are beating or starving, or denying medical care. None of the reports so far have even implied that those kinds of things are going on. You are partially right that it isn't comfortable. IT'S A PRISON. IT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE COMFORTABLE. We need to get information from these people so other people aren't blown up. What should we do? Give them a proper British Tea and ask them politely when they are going to kill more Americans?

We've been over this territory before, and my position is still the same. We should treat them as well as we can without putting soldiers lives in danger. If there's a way to stop the killings without the air-conditioned room, I'd love to hear it. I don't like having to live in a world where you have to do icky things to protect people's lives. That's reality though, and you can either ignore it because you don't like it, or accept that this is just how the world works.