I told you this would happen!
Looks like I'll be spending alot less time online now.
smurf YOU AMERICA. Yeah, I hope you read that!
I told you this would happen
I told you this would happen!
Looks like I'll be spending alot less time online now.
smurf YOU AMERICA. Yeah, I hope you read that!
Man its like a facist country right now.I have to watch what i say.Like i said a comment on bush at thise store and the next day the FBI is at my door step.
Now the internet.I mean wtf.they want to track our every move now......I know its for our safety but still if this is happening in the UK then please tell me because htis doesn't make any sense to me.
I think Bush is the next hitler.
What?Originally Posted by lordblazer
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well no bigy right now im on my step mom's VPN which is highly monitored lol.
YEAH RIGHT! They may want to do this but it really is not going to be feasible in any sense for about 4 years. The amount of data that would be gathered would cost insane amounts of money for any one to run and then the database that would store all of this information would be way to big to even be searchable with todays technology. I bet it would easily blow away the 16 exabyte limit of NTFS in a year.
Obviously, this won't be something like lordblazer pointed out--if we say something bad about the government, we won't be arrested. It's rampant stupidity and fear of luxury control like that that leads to more and more liberal policies. This would be used to monitor things that pop up--keywords, certain sites, etc.
I guess it would be too much to say "if you don't like it, don't use the internet."
Well if it will help catch scumbags, then I myself would gladly give up that right for them to do so. Do ever see how many missing and exploited childeren appear on those posters, pages and pages of them every year. It's quite depressing...
How easily could something like this be abused, and how easily can a politician "mistake" expression of opinion for something somehow relating to "terrorism"? It's a terrible idea but the fact that it's being considered doesn't particularily surprise me. We, as a people, seem to have chosen a false sense of security over our rights.
If everyone uses "It doesn't harm me, so I don't care" logic except those who are affected, it turns into a slippery slope, and soon no one will have any rights left at all. A much better criterion to use is whether the amount of power being exercised is reasonable for the benefits its use will bring about, and in this case the benefits are miniscule compared to the amount of privacy we would have to give up if this were enacted. I'd rather some people *not* know about my porn downloads kthxdie.
very easily.
Eh I dont understand your logic either. People have so many rights. I would be willing to give up my right to let crime investorgators look into solving crimes. Why would I be against it, if I am not doing anything wrong?If everyone uses "It doesn't harm me, so I don't care" logic except those who are affected, it turns into a slippery slope, and soon no one will have any rights left at all. A much better criterion to use is whether the amount of power being exercised is reasonable for the benefits its use will bring about, and in this case the benefits are miniscule compared to the amount of privacy we would have to give up if this were enacted. I'd rather some people *not* know about my porn downloads kthxdie.
And what is it you have to hide about your porn downloads?
Child protection advocates say that this process can lead police to dead ends if they don't move quickly enough and log files are discarded automatically. Also, many Internet service providers don't record information about instant-messaging conversations or Web sites visited--data that would prove vital to an investigation.
For our safety?!!? hahahaI know its for our safetyhahaha
It's not for OUR safety, it's to give THEM more power.
I'm sure thats what they said in Germany too. This is just one step closer to autocracy, and it's one step that I am not willing to take.Obviously, this won't be something like lordblazer pointed out--if we say something bad about the government, we won't be arrested.
It's better to have a thousand scumbags roaming the streets than for us to have less rights.Well if it will help catch scumbags, then I myself would gladly give up that right for them to do so
I once knew a woman who grew up in Poland, when it was occupied by the U.S.S.R. She said that in America today, the government has more control over us than the Soviets ever did over Poland.
So that makes you more self-fish then selfless? People and thier rights... People take them for granted.It's better to have a thousand scumbags roaming the streets than for us to have less rights.
Last edited by Casey; 06-24-2005 at 08:12 AM. Reason: you reply to fast hahaha
Actually, I am thinking about the rights of EVERYONE, not just myself. Although, I couldn't care less if people like you lost you're rights, as you don't seem to value them much.So that makes you more self-fish then selfless? You and your rights...
Edit: I see you edited your post.Yeah, people take them for granted. People like you.You and your rights... People take them for granted.
My point is that this proposal virtually annihilates our privacy on the Internet, and that's a big right to take away. Ok, it might help the government solve a few crimes, but are a few crimes worth it to COMPLETELY ANNIHILATE people's privacy on the Internet? Not to mention that logging everything that happens would create a security nightmare. Enterprising hackers will be cracking people's passwords (and shortly thereafter, bank accounts) almost immediately if this passes, don't you doubt it. Never mind that it's illegal and they'll be traced, they'll do it regardless.
The cost is too great for the meager benefits it gives us. And the slippery slope argument *is* valid, because government continually strives to create more power for itself. That's the way the world tends to work.
ok i'm going to bed now
Agreed partly. Just, the people would'nt give a damn about what you do online, they're just looking for child molestors/exploiters. As said in the article. People are just so hung up on there rights, they dont even take into consideration the right of someone else who wants to find out where their missing loved one is, or solve a unsolved crime that a family wants resolved. But no, that's just asking to much of people to give up their lousy rights. It's okay they're selfish, they can keep their rights.My point is that this proposal virtually annihilates our privacy on the Internet, and that's a big right to take away. Ok, it might help the government solve a few crimes, but are a few crimes worth it to COMPLETELY ANNIHILATE people's privacy on the Internet? Not to mention that logging everything that happens would create a security nightmare. Enterprising hackers will be cracking people's passwords (and shortly thereafter, bank accounts) almost immediately if this passes, don't you doubt it. Never mind that it's illegal and they'll be traced, they'll do it regardless.
The cost is too great for the meager benefits it gives us. And the slippery slope argument *is* valid, because government continually strives to create more power for itself. That's the way the world tends to work.
ok i'm going to bed now
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