Firearms

[Madame Adequate]

a large portion of people shot are shot on accident. if you allow more people to own guns, their are more chances for such accidents to occur.

Figures please.

why do we have so many self defense courses, and defensive weapons. their should never be a need to use them.

I'm sure the thugs will be quite happy to listen to your compellingly erudite reasoning whilst they attempt to take your cellphone, wallet, iPod, and probably an iBall for good measure.

if you allow the public to have guns you are consenting murder, murder that could have been avoided. and its true some people will find a way to get guns back, but that is a small percentage of the people who would actully use them.

No, if you allow the public to have guns you're condoning self defense.

so lets say we just give rhem to good law abiding citizens, whats stopping those people from using them, or selling them to "Lower class citezens"

What, all poor people are criminals now?

you woulnt stop all violance by getting rid of guns, but you could stop a large portion of it.

Yes, of course, the absence of guns leads to a peaceful, pacifistic, utopian society! That's why crime rates in Britain are higher than the US, and crime rates in Canada are so low!

[ShunNakamura]

Well I think most of us here would be in favor of a free(or small fee) mandated training course before you are allowed to have it. That way you know what you are doing. Though the course would have to be actually EDUCATING... not like the driver's ed in my area :rolleyes2.

Anyways, if you take guns away from the law abiding citizens.. what are we supposed to do when faced with a gun from a non-law abiding citizen or alien... hmm? After all they already are breaking(going to break the law) so why not get a gun? And I recall hearing(it is actually true in my area even) that some illegal drugs are easier to obtain then the legal ones. So I don't see why guns wouldn't at least somewhat follow this same trend.

[lordblazer]

Well I think most of us here would be in favor of a free(or small fee) mandated training course before you are allowed to have it. That way you know what you are doing. Though the course would have to be actually EDUCATING... not like the driver's ed in my area :rolleyes2.

Anyways, if you take guns away from the law abiding citizens.. what are we supposed to do when faced with a gun from a non-law abiding citizen or alien... hmm? After all they already are breaking(going to break the law) so why not get a gun? And I recall hearing(it is actually true in my area even) that some illegal drugs are easier to obtain then the legal ones. So I don't see why guns wouldn't at least somewhat follow this same trend.

training course?Train someone to use a gun for free??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Cloud No.9]

i'll support gun ownership when i can have a bomb factory in my home.

[Endless]

a large portion of people shot are shot on accident. if you allow more people to own guns, their are more chances for such accidents to occur.

Figures please.

I didn't feel like digging for recent figures, but here goes:
In 2000, 600 deaths were caused by accidents involving firearms. In comparison, in 1995, 1,500+ murders involved the use of firearms. also, just to see what 600 means, in 2000, 43,000 deaths were caused by car accidents.

[Cloud No.9]

so endless 900 more people were murdered with firearms than were killed by accidents (if you consider the firearm crime rate to have not shifted a great deal)

if so that means that more gun deaths are caused by murder than accidents. rendering that side of the argument wrong.

[Fithos]

i didnt say more, i just said a large portion. which is true. thats 600 people who would be alive if it wernt for ownership of guns.

[Endless]

And that's 43,000 more that would be alive if it weren't for ownership of cars. Let's ban cars?

Now that your reasoning has been proven worth, well, naught, try again and better luck next time.

[Lionx]

OR Fith, if everyone had a gun, would anyone even DARE intrude and try to kill you knowing they can die the exact same way? It will be that much harder. They cant break into a home expecting complete dominence, they can expect a bullet comming back their way.

I am all for a training course for a small fee. For legit gun owners, they need to know the ins and outs of the thing, so it can be used properly. If you are going to let people use them, you might as well train them.

[Fithos]

ok, so lets say everyone owned a gun for self-defence. what happens when people start getting paranoide. "ohh, it looked like he was about to pull his gun on me so i shot him." and what about when people start getting mad. "i didnt think, i just acted." "shoot first and ask questions later."

there are other means of defense than fire arms. like why dont we all just start wearing bullet proof armour. or we could all own tazers.

and whats next then, how far can we take the extrem of self defense. lets all have private planes to air strike people who look at you funny. lets all build super weapons because if we have one other people woulnt shoot theirs at us.

and what about the people who dont care if they die. the ones who think it is the right course, or dont think there is any reason to live. all they are concerned about is taking out as many people as possible before they die. do you think gun ownership will stop them? look at the "terrorists" of 9/11. they didnt care if they died. and the united states had much more advaced weapons then what we are talking about now. and they did it because they thought it was the right course of action. they didnt care if they died. all they cared about was taking as many people as possible with them

i would be all for banning cars, they are dangerous to all people in so many different forms and their are much saffer ways to get around. i dislike driving. and would not care if cars were banned.

now i wouldnt mind about the course but look at drivers ed. that is about safe handeling of a car and more people die in car crashes than in shootings. so dose a safty course really make that much difference.

also, one reason more people die from cars is because anyone can buy a car. it would be the same with guns. when anyone can buy a gun they will be that much more dangerous than before. regardless of how many safty courses people take.

maybe some people should own guns, but i dont think any should be able to. and not to any extrem, like when they legalized assult rifels.

[ShunNakamura]

this will be a akward post, i smashed much of my right hand with a 200-400 lb cement block.

first and foremost, i think i already mentioned that it would have to be better then drivers ed. secondly they could also test your temperment or some such so that if you are prone to violence when angry and prone to anger they could deny you access to guns till you have proven control.

i would type out a longer explaination(with fewer loops) but typing with ony my left hand and my right pinky finger is kinda painful.

[Excelsior]

i would be all for banning cars, they are dangerous to all people in so many different forms and their are much saffer ways to get around. i dislike driving. and would not care if cars were banned.

ok then, guess we better start banning all dangerous things. Pens and pencils have to go, im sure theres at least a few deaths every year related to pens and pencils. oh yeah, and theres lots of people who kill other people with there bare hands, so i guess everyone better chop off there hands, otherwise your condoning muder. in fact, limbs of any kind could kill other people, so it all has to go. Oh! and teeth! i almost forgot. Somebody could decide to bite someone to death, so I better go get those pulled out right now. Cuz, y'know, dont want to be condoning murder over here. :rolleyes2

okay i think thats enough of that. hopefully you got my point.

[Fithos]

my opinions on cars are my own as with anything else you are welcome to disagree with them. however the fact that you chose to argue with that part of my post instead of any of the parts relating to guns is very odd. i would almost think you ran out of arguments to the things i said.

also i know that you said it would have to be better than drivers ed. thats kinda half were i got that argument from. and i know that it would have to be about 100% better.

how do you test emotions? how can you be sure that something that happens once will always happen that way again? is it possible to tell how much a person can take? i mean they could fake it for the test so as to be allowed the gun. and what would stop them? you would have to do extended testing on each person to determine something like that.

[Teek]

my opinions on cars are my own as with anything else you are welcome to disagree with them. however the fact that you chose to argue with that part of my post instead of any of the parts relating to guns is very odd. i would almost think you ran out of arguments to the things i said.

It's not so much that we ran out of arguments as much as your logic sucks. Though, strangely, you're not contradicting yourself like most people. More stangely, I think it's worse - you actually are against machinery.

I guess you can be anti-anything, but just let me to my own stuff.

[ShunNakamura]

the emotion things would be tested by background check mostly. since u hav to be 18 to buy anyways they would hav sources for background. though i am unsure about how they would pass it...

gah.. give me a weak or so so that i can type my ideas out better(i refine them by typing/writing em). or course if dad is right it may be longer then a couple weeeks. thinks i may hav pain for a month or 2.


once again i apologize for the sloppy bad post