Firearms

[YukiKiro]

You want to survive, you shouldn't break into my house.

amen.

[Cloud No.9]

"also most criminals don't buy guns at stores. its too easy to trace the weopon. they buy their guns black market style. so having guns sold in stores doesn't contribute to gun crimes." the end users of the guns may not use stores but at the start it probably had to come from there anyway.

[Fithos]

Of course you don't understand. If you did, you wouldn't be working to commit the stupidest crimes in the world. Still, if you want to take out the biggest threat first go rob the Federal Reserve. Of course, would robbing that change your odds of successfully robbing my house? Nope, not at all. The principle holds the same. I wish more people like you were criminals, because we'd have a lot fewer of them (they wouldn't last that long).

my comments were directed at im my own milf, not you. i understood everything you said and could see no reason to even allow you to have a gun.

any good stratigist knows never to leave an enemy at your back, not killing the guy with the gun is leaving a potential threat to get cought by.

also i must insist that their are better ways to defend yourself. anyone who thinks that a gun is the only way to defend yourself from threat is way to to inside the box.

[YukiKiro]

the end users of the guns may not use stores but at the start it probably had to come from there anyway.

this is true. most of the time the guns are stollen and then sold in that case. however places that sell firearms are under heavy survellance and the person or persons responsible for the theft are usually brought to justice. and i don't think anyone would be stupid enough to try and rob a firearms dealer durring open hours. think about it, hundreds of firearms and about as many sportsmen, or one very trigger happy counter clerk, its safer to rob by night.

[Skyblade]

Of course you don't understand. If you did, you wouldn't be working to commit the stupidest crimes in the world. Still, if you want to take out the biggest threat first go rob the Federal Reserve. Of course, would robbing that change your odds of successfully robbing my house? Nope, not at all. The principle holds the same. I wish more people like you were criminals, because we'd have a lot fewer of them (they wouldn't last that long).

my comments were directed at im my own milf, not you. i understood everything you said and could see no reason to even allow you to have a gun.

any good stratigist knows never to leave an enemy at your back, not killing the guy with the gun is leaving a potential threat to get cought by.

also i must insist that their are better ways to defend yourself. anyone who thinks that a gun is the only way to defend yourself from threat is way to to inside the box.

If I understood him correctly, what Im my own MILF was saying was that without the security system to wake you up, it wouldn't matter if you had a gun or not. The gun just helps for those times that you are prepared to defend yourself.

Boy, you are on a big "be nice to the person breaking into your house and trying to take all your stuff" kick, aren't you? You don't want me to have a gun? Come break into my house, take it, and see how well your master plan works.

While what you are discussing may be logical in a military situation with limited forces at your disposal, anywhere else it is sheer lunacy. You are not at war with every single person in the world. Killing the gun owners would change nothing. It's not like the gun owners are going to come hunting you down while you are off robbing their neighbors. Just ignore the gun owners. There are enough people to rob who aren't gun owners that if you successfully robbed them, you could retire rich and happy forever. I mean, just how paranoid, insane, and trigger happy are you? Also, I hope you have a lot of practice with that gun. At least attacking non gun owners first you'd get used to your weapon in a situation where you need it to save your @$$.

[Teek]

my comments were directed at im my own milf, not you. i understood everything you said and could see no reason to even allow you to have a gun.

What you're suggesting is fascism.

[Cloud No.9]

yuki kiro all weapons that are on the market have been sold legitimately at one point. either by the maker, store owner or someone else (unless the gun was stolen from the factory). at one point down this line one of these places may get robbed and the guns go on the black market.

but if you cut down the amount of people able to buy guns then you reduce the need for factories. so people have less chance of stealing from them. there are no stores to rob. so the only place left to get a gun from is imported. in doing this you have limited from where illegal guns can come from and just made the whole thing alot harder. now break smuggling and we have ourself a gun free country.

[Fithos]

While what you are discussing may be logical in a military situation with limited forces at your disposal, anywhere else it is sheer lunacy. You are not at war with every single person in the world. Killing the gun owners would change nothing. It's not like the gun owners are going to come hunting you down while you are off robbing their neighbors. Just ignore the gun owners. There are enough people to rob who aren't gun owners that if you successfully robbed them, you could retire rich and happy forever. I mean, just how paranoid, insane, and trigger happy are you? Also, I hope you have a lot of practice with that gun. At least attacking non gun owners first you'd get used to your weapon in a situation where you need it to save your @$$.

i belive we are going after two different theoretical situations here. i was referring to a mass crime spree, or a neighborhood were everyone trys to help each other as best they can. what you are reffering to is a neighborhood were people dont seem to care what goes on.

also i am starting to think you think robberys only happen during the day. based on your "if i have gun ill be fine because ill have a chance to use it first" kick. the majority of robberys i hear about happen while your asleep, so unless you have a wierd subconcious about you that can shoot youe gun for you i dont think you will be any safer than the rest of us. so why get a gun? chances are it woulnt do you any good.

and yes, i value the life of a person (even one robbing me) than i value the cost of a few trinkets in my house. as long as they are alive they still have the ability to change.

[YukiKiro]

but if you cut down the amount of people able to buy guns then you reduce the need for factories.

i understood you until you got to this part. right now there are tons of people in america loosing jobs, and firearms are still a legal recreation, and you're talking about shutting down factories that produce jobs and help keep us going. we have enough problems with outsourcing, the last thing we need is 2 million more people losing jobs. and besides, importing guns through the black market can be like buying a bag of potato chips at the corner store. at that point robberies would skyrocket.

[Cloud No.9]

so keep firearms because they are good for the economy?

i didn't get your second part.

[YukiKiro]

keep them because they help the economy and people who want them for recreation and protection can still get them. criminals will get their hands on guns no matter what you do, so give the public the weopon of the enemy to either defend, or hunt, or whatever, so long as the use is lawful.

[Teek]

and yes, i value the life of a person (even one robbing me) than i value the cost of a few trinkets in my house. as long as they are alive they still have the ability to change.

That sounds very beautiful, but I think that's immoral as all hell.

[Cloud No.9]

"criminals will get their hands on guns no matter what you do" but you can reduce the risks and chances.

[Teek]

"criminals will get their hands on guns no matter what you do" but you can reduce the risks and chances.

That is true, but you can't take away the rights from all because of the actions of a few. That's like making an entire class write an essay because a single student spoke.

[YukiKiro]

you see, this is why i don't really like debating this stuff. you go over the same facts over and over again, you produce the same point, which produces a counter point, then you produce a counter point and another counter point is presented your original point would pretty much have covered (i hope you all caught that). its like talking to a machine with a bunch of preset phrases programmed to be spit out if one thing is said. i give up. you guys can go on talking about why guns are bad (when they don't kill people, people with guns kill people); i am simply tired of this.