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[MushroomZOMBIE]

Alexander-FFVII fanboys saying "zOMG FFI SUX IT DUZN'T HAVE OMNISLASH"

Fanboyism......another side-effect of stupidity!Please go & try some other FF games!!!!

[KuRt]

Imo FF8 sukcs. It has overpowered limits, the equip system is bad, junction system is bad and you cant have any armor, the plote was messy and Squall is such a biatch with his "...whatever..." attidute.

[Alexander]

Alexander-FFVII fanboys saying "zOMG FFI SUX IT DUZN'T HAVE OMNISLASH"

Fanboyism......another side-effect of stupidity!Please go & try some other FF games!!!!

Some of them are so stupid that when they bother to play another game, they bash it because it's not like his dear game. Plus, they distort the reality. Like the guy called "Spuma" in my signature.

[RedCydranth]

And my complains about FFVIII.

The storyline. Full of plotholes, sometimes even seriously lacking (why does Ultimecia want to compress time, after all? x.x), and sometimes forced. Like... the Trabia Garden event. And th whole Squall/Rinoa thing. From nothing Squall loved Rinoa. This is sick.

Agreed. She wants to compress time because she CAN. The same reason a dog licks himself. If you can do it, do it!

The battles. Junction was bizzarre. Easy to catch, but bizzarre. No MP or equipment is very strange, as well.

How the hell do you junction magic to your, let's say, vitality? How can a "stock" of Blizzagas make you more resistant to physical attacks?And how do you junction a guardian force to yourself? (Okay, ability system is a little strange as well, but it makes a little sense)

And stocking/drawing. Magic is an essence, an energy. Magic is not a material thing. FFVIII made magic seem material. Like...

Son: Daddy, daddy! Did you see that? Now Bite Bug has Firaga! I want some! Please please please!
Daddy: Okay. *junctioning GF... somehow*
Son: YAY! ^_^

I understand what you are saying buy its the same as in FFVII. How does placing a green rock in your sword allow you to cast magic? It makes it seem physical too because without the materia, you cant cast crap. I tend to throw the whole magic and how it works into the realm of.. FANTASY.

And about the characters. They focused WAY TOO MUCH in Squall, Rinoa, Edea and Laguna. The others are sitting in the dark, watching. Much like Digimon Frontier, in the end. And Digimon Frontier stinks. So this is not a good analogy. >_<

So, you are telling me you want a game where you learn nothing about the heros, antagonist and love interest? Go play FFI then. Jeez. Don't complain because they emphasize the MAIN CHARACTERS. Zell, Selphie, Irvine and Quistis are in the story, but they aren't the focus of the story. Its like reading Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and it focusing on Grumpy, not Snow White, Prince Charming and Melificent (the horned witch). The story wouldn't be the same without the dwarves, but its not the main focus. You get me?

Oh, and about the fanboys. OMG FFVII is TEH Roxorz!!!11111!!11!11!!one!1

I am an FF fanboy, but I hardly believe ANY of us speak like that. And for ANY of you to say you aren't fan boy/girls is ludicrous. Look at the title of this website and tell me you aren't a fanboy. Yeah... We all are, and we don't speak that way.

My turn to get flamed!

[ShunNakamura]

I wanted to post this just to say.
FFVIII
You can store energy yes? So why would it have to be physical? You store so much energy and release it bit by bit in the form of the spells it takes.

As for applying it and changing stats. In the realm of fantasy I would imagine this would easily be possible.. after all you have buff spells.. so why can't you buff by absorbing the energy into you?(not most sensical but meh)


Also the sign of the good story teller is to leave some blanks. You have to leave something for every one to imagine... I wouldn't read a book where everything was spelled out and my imagination couldn't get a kick start. Off course it is a delicate balance. But I feel 8 maintained it well enough, perhaps not as good as the world's best authors.. but it was fine. Plus they may have thought the magic thing was a logic leap that we would all be able to perform. Assumptions can reak havoc when writing.

FF6
As for this.. well I loved the lack of a main character. It was added realism to me. Someone always would take charge with plans.. but it felt more real.. It was on a world scale. Think about if the planet completely changed like it does would you end up in the spots with the rest of your party? It was chosen to help build up characters stories that they felt needed some building. I would have made it more mandatory to pick everyone else up, for story purposes.

The loss of focus is annoying at times.. but I don't think it truely hurt the story line(possibly cause I have read books far worse in that focus category. Plus most books I like have many many points of veiw.. and you will sometimes be in one persons point of veiw for a while.. and not see them again till the end.... 400+ pages later. So this may just be personal taste.

FFIV
About the biggest gripe I got with any FF game I have played is the number of random battles in FFIV... I mean really.... I only like fighing so much.

[Alexander]

Agreed. She wants to compress time because she CAN. The same reason a dog licks himself. If you can do it, do it!

I want to stab someone with a knife because I can. You know, only because I can. If I can do it, let me do it! *stabs you* See what I mean? XD

I understand what you are saying buy its the same as in FFVII. How does placing a green rock in your sword allow you to cast magic? It makes it seem physical too because without the materia, you cant cast crap. I tend to throw the whole magic and how it works into the realm of.. FANTASY.

Well, Materias are orbs with magical power contained in it, yadda yadda yadda etc etc o.o the Materia isn't the magic itself, plus Materia isn't Magic only.

So, you are telling me you want a game where you learn nothing about the heros, antagonist and love interest? Go play FFI then. Jeez. Don't complain because they emphasize the MAIN CHARACTERS. Zell, Selphie, Irvine and Quistis are in the story, but they aren't the focus of the story. Its like reading Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and it focusing on Grumpy, not Snow White, Prince Charming and Melificent (the horned witch). The story wouldn't be the same without the dwarves, but its not the main focus. You get me?

Sure, they should focus in the main heroes. I never complained about that. But FFVIII focus WAY TOO MUCH on them. The other FFs (or at least most of them) focus on the main characters, sure, but they give some development to the others. FFVIII don't. They are the same dummies, since the beginning until the very end. You get me? I wasn't complaining about the main characters ditch the secondary ones in the end. I was complaining about FFVIII doing that SINCE THE VERT BEGINIING. o_o

Oh, and about the fanboys. OMG FFVII is TEH Roxorz!!!11111!!11!11!!one!1

I am an FF fanboy, but I hardly believe ANY of us speak like that. And for ANY of you to say you aren't fan boy/girls is ludicrous. Look at the title of this website and tell me you aren't a fanboy. Yeah... We all are, and we don't speak that way.

My turn to get flamed!

Again, we are FF fanboys. But (insert specific FF here) fanboys are totally different. And they'd speak like that, surely XD

[ThroneofDravaris]

You're STILL all wrong.

It wasn’t really that funny the first time…

No, no. I mean...
Magicite is material. Magic itself is not.
Materia is material (duh!). Magic itself is not.
Staves are material, as well (duh). Magic itself is not.
Magic itself IS material in FF8 (or it seems to be). @_@

I was talking about the idea of refining Magic from items via magic refineries. It’s not really that different from any of these.

I know. But you couldn't truly abuse Limit Breaks, Overdrive, etc.
You cant abuse FFVI's Desperation Attacks, either. They randomly happen when you have 1/32 of your HP or less. I can't abuse it. o_O
With Aura and such, you can abuse Limit Breaks in FFVIII. I don't like it thatmuch, since the only Limit Breaks that you can abuse without being ovrpowered are Quistis' (Blue Magic) and Irvine (sure, Pulse Ammo, but it is SLOOOOW and rare).
And no boss is THAT harder to make you use offensive Magic/ offensive GFs/etc. Later in the game you can beat pretty much anything, with the right Junctions and Aura... o.o

True, but quite a few FF games had other combo’s that you could exploit.

FFV: 2 Swords, Sshot and thunder sword magic =dead Omega.

FFVI: Genji Glove, Offering, 2 Atma Weapons (possible at the end) and Max HP= Kekfa dead in one hit.

FFVII: Knights of the Round, HP absorb, mime. IMO the cheapest of them all.

At least with the Limits in FF8, the final Bosses/challenge bosses were still challenging (especially with the random factor of Renzokuken). These combos made even the hardest bosses in the series fall in a flash. And you could always use them, you didn’t need to be on critical HP.

While we’re on the subject, the Trances in FFIX weren’t exactly balanced either. True, you had to wait for them to charge, but once they did, you could unleash quite a few 9999 damage attacks before it ran out. It made some of the otherwise challenging story bosses in this game (ie, Ark) quite straight forward. Don’t get me wrong, I love Trance, it was the only Limit system in the series that made sense, but it was far from perfect it terms of balance.

I won't flame you, but his purpose is NOT NEARLY THE SAME as Kuja... xD And he only got a good importance in Disc 3... ><

I would have to say if anything, Seifer became LESS important to the story as it progressed, not more.
I didn’t really mean in terms of the story, I meant he was the antagonist that had a face during the game, the one that was there until close to the end. I don’t think anyone would be indsane enough to argue that Kuja was anything LIKE Seifer in terms of the plot, nor would they try and say that he was anywhere near as developed as Kuja.

[thinking of names is hard]

Alot of quotes flying round this forum...so ill only make two...

I think Faith was referring to 8 and not 7?

Hehe, fixed it.

Good good...

So anyway... I like all the games but i thought that the characers in ffix was lacking in some parts. I didnt really gat into the game like other final fantasies. Normally, characters have features that i associate with them. But in ffix, i seriously cannot describe any of their characteristics. They seemed bland to me....All i remmember is that Eiko was a brat and Quina liked food...and...erm...thats it.Gameplay was great-storyline was too, but the characters...

Hehe, I’m kind of surprised that you can find features of characters in ANY FF game that can be related to oneself. I think in FF9, they tried to make the characters as stereotypical as possible, as to be reminiscent of the classical FF games. Steiner is a dedicated knight, Garnet is a selfless Princess with an high-class education, Quina is…well…Quina. While Zidane proved to be very happy-go-lucky, he seriously begins to question who he is later in the game, which adds a certain degree of depth to the characters. Vivi is probably one of the most complex and tragic characters in the series (well, depending on whether you believe he dies in the end). But most importantly, FF9’s antagonist, Kuja, was one of the best developed characters out there. You both hate him and pity him at the same time. While the game had some 2D characters like Amarant and Quina ( but then, did Quina really need development?), I think these characters are outweighed by the more complex ones.

I meant the actual characters...we get what role they play in the story and what position they fill-but their personality. Vivi was the best explained but the rest of the cast...Who can give me a character description of Steiner? (rhetorical question so please dont all answer it and prove me wrong)

Everyone in viii was explained. They all had character trates. ALL of them. The only characters i felt content with in ff9 was vivi and Beatrix.
With viii, the past was explained for each one. It was the most believable within the fantasy plot ive ever seen in a game. (minus the orphanage thing-becaue i know somone was going to say it so ill beat you to it...just like to say that i actually understood the storyline)
If anyone wants to point out one character that wasnt developed in ff8 (i mean the main ones) i think its my duty to disagree with them.

[Alexander]

I was talking about the idea of refining Magic from items via magic refineries. It’s not really that different from any of these.

Oh. XD You've got a great point then o.o

True, but quite a few FF games had other combo’s that you could exploit.

FFV: 2 Swords, Sshot and thunder sword magic =dead Omega.

FFVI: Genji Glove, Offering, 2 Atma Weapons (possible at the end) and Max HP= Kekfa dead in one hit.

FFVII: Knights of the Round, HP absorb, mime. IMO the cheapest of them all.

At least with the Limits in FF8, the final Bosses/challenge bosses were still challenging (especially with the random factor of Renzokuken). These combos made even the hardest bosses in the series fall in a flash. And you could always use them, you didn’t need to be on critical HP.

While we’re on the subject, the Trances in FFIX weren’t exactly balanced either. True, you had to wait for them to charge, but once they did, you could unleash quite a few 9999 damage attacks before it ran out. It made some of the otherwise challenging story bosses in this game (ie, Ark) quite straight forward. Don’t get me wrong, I love Trance, it was the only Limit system in the series that made sense, but it was far from perfect it terms of balance.

Well, but those tricks you only get in the veeeery end. You get Limit Breaks since the beginning, so... =P
But still, you got a point. Trance can be VERY unbalanced. Grand Lethal XD and Double Doomsday can give nightmares to anyone o_o

I would have to say if anything, Seifer became LESS important to the story as it progressed, not more.
I didn’t really mean in terms of the story, I meant he was the antagonist that had a face during the game, the one that was there until close to the end. I don’t think anyone would be indsane enough to argue that Kuja was anything LIKE Seifer in terms of the plot, nor would they try and say that he was anywhere near as developed as Kuja.

...Oh again. XD

(This discussion is rocking! It's hard to see someone defending an FF like you. \o/ Most of the time, people bash me and stuff. XD Not in EoFF of course o_O)

[RedCydranth]

Agreed. She wants to compress time because she CAN. The same reason a dog licks himself. If you can do it, do it!

I want to stab someone with a knife because I can. You know, only because I can. If I can do it, let me do it! *stabs you* See what I mean? XD

Well, if you knew you could get away with stabbing someone, you would. even if you were 90% sure could get away with it and you really 100% wanted to, you would do it. She believed she could get away with it and tried to. My point stands. Because she CAN.

I understand what you are saying buy its the same as in FFVII. How does placing a green rock in your sword allow you to cast magic? It makes it seem physical too because without the materia, you cant cast crap. I tend to throw the whole magic and how it works into the realm of.. FANTASY.

Well, Materias are orbs with magical power contained in it, yadda yadda yadda etc etc o.o the Materia isn't the magic itself, plus Materia isn't Magic only.

If you read my post and weren't so hel bent on being right, i DID write Green rock, meaning green materia. Name one green materia that doesn't give the user any magic. Right I am again.

So, you are telling me you want a game where you learn nothing about the heros, antagonist and love interest? Go play FFI then. Jeez. Don't complain because they emphasize the MAIN CHARACTERS. Zell, Selphie, Irvine and Quistis are in the story, but they aren't the focus of the story. Its like reading Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and it focusing on Grumpy, not Snow White, Prince Charming and Melificent (the horned witch). The story wouldn't be the same without the dwarves, but its not the main focus. You get me?

Sure, they should focus in the main heroes. I never complained about that. But FFVIII focus WAY TOO MUCH on them. The other FFs (or at least most of them) focus on the main characters, sure, but they give some development to the others. FFVIII don't. They are the same dummies, since the beginning until the very end. You get me? I wasn't complaining about the main characters ditch the secondary ones in the end. I was complaining about FFVIII doing that SINCE THE VERT BEGINIING. o_o

Vert = green, but I think you ment very, as the green beginning is illogical. Yep, Man i hate games that are focused on the main characters. I want a game that gives me the hero of the story at the beginning and then I never see him until the end and know nothing of why or how he got there. Meanwhile I watch the story of 4 people who like to dream of cherry trees and dandelions for 30+ hours of gameplay. Then beat the final enemy and never play the game again.

Sure sounds great huh? If you want a game that focuses none onn the main character, go play Guardian's Crusade. You'll love it.

Oh, and about the fanboys. OMG FFVII is TEH Roxorz!!!11111!!11!11!!one!1

I am an FF fanboy, but I hardly believe ANY of us speak like that. And for ANY of you to say you aren't fan boy/girls is ludicrous. Look at the title of this website and tell me you aren't a fanboy. Yeah... We all are, and we don't speak that way.

My turn to get flamed!

Again, we are FF fanboys. But (insert specific FF here) fanboys are totally different. And they'd speak like that, surely XD

I was recently proved wrong in a PM... A fellow named killzonerules PM'ed me and he typed an entire paragraph without a single period, comma or apostrophe. he was enthusiastic that I too liked Paine from FFX-2. He's a nice person, but needs to learn how to use grammar.

So, I guess there ARE fanboys that talk poorly. I stand corrected on this issue.

[Alexander]

Well, if you knew you could get away with stabbing someone, you would. even if you were 90% sure could get away with it and you really 100% wanted to, you would do it. She believed she could get away with it and tried to. My point stands. Because she CAN.

You got a point, but it's hard to think how the hell you will get away with a time compression, you know, because you will be affected as well. o_O
But there's that theory about "She could become everywhere and everything", yadda yadda, but... it is a thoery o.o

If you read my post and weren't so hel bent on being right, i DID write Green rock, meaning green materia. Name one green materia that doesn't give the user any magic. Right I am again.

1- What's wrong on trying to be right? I'm defending my opinion, you know. You are just about as bent as me. And I dnd't read "green", sorry.

Vert = green, but I think you ment very, as the green beginning is illogical. Yep, Man i hate games that are focused on the main characters. I want a game that gives me the hero of the story at the beginning and then I never see him until the end and know nothing of why or how he got there. Meanwhile I watch the story of 4 people who like to dream of cherry trees and dandelions for 30+ hours of gameplay. Then beat the final enemy and never play the game again.

Sure sounds great huh? If you want a game that focuses none onn the main character, go play Guardian's Crusade. You'll love it.

It's not funny to make fun of me because I typoed. It is very clear that I meant "very", because the beginning obviously isn't green.
And you are distorting what I said. Let me make it clear to you. FFVIII doesn't try to develop Zell/Quistis/Irvine/Selphie. Not even once. Okay, they try to develop Quistis, but it didn't work very well. While most of the other FFs develop most characters.
And FFX ditches the main character already in favor of Yuna, thanks.

I was recently proved wrong in a PM... A fellow named killzonerules PM'ed me and he typed an entire paragraph without a single period, comma or apostrophe. he was enthusiastic that I too liked Paine from FFX-2. He's a nice person, but needs to learn how to use grammar.

So, I guess there ARE fanboys that talk poorly. I stand corrected on this issue.

See? o.o For example, I was severely bashed in a forum of Fire Emblem just because I think that Lilina from FE6 is the best character in the game... one of the moderators typoed a paragraph full of bashing without punctuation, and no he wasn't kidding.

Anyway. *white flag* Yeah, white flag. I'm tired of defending my opinion. No, nothing wrong on correcting me, but making fun of me twice destroyed any will I had to continue this discussion.

[DJZen]

You're STILL all wrong.

It wasn’t really that funny the first time…

Maybe not in your eyes. To me the only way to make this thread not stupid is to lighten the mood. Forgive me for thinking that.

P.S. Wrong

[RedCydranth]

Alexander, the point of this entire thread is to prove everyone else wrong, no matter how correct they are. Or at least thats the way I intrepreted it. So, giving up on this conversation is WRONG! LOL.

And about the compression of time thing, She's commiting suicide and taking the rest of everything with her. Because she CAN.

[DJZen]

Alexander, the point of this entire thread is to prove everyone else wrong, no matter how correct they are. Or at least thats the way I intrepreted it. So, giving up on this conversation is WRONG! LOL.

OMGWTFBBQ you are SO wrong about that! He should TOTALLY give up because he IS wrong! Just like you! And everyone else!

[theoryonlyworksintheory]

Ok, I think ff8 had a wonderful plot with as many plot holes as any of the other games, and i think the characters where the most realistic (not like most characters in ff9 Quina Eiko Steiner..., and they did to try to develop Irvine. End of disc 1 his big pressure shot.