Cash Flow Crisis

[ff-fanatix]

ok guys ive hit a bit of a slump

i need new armour, maps and weapons but i got virtually no gil.....hell i cant even afford a chocobo......

so heres where you come in....i need some suggestions on how to get more gil......iove tried camping NM's at both Ghelsba and King Ranperres Tomb...but to no avail.....they juist wont drop......and im fed up of doing that now.....

so anyone got any ideas? please

[Carl the Llama]

go to the weapons shop town and compare prices of weapons and armour to AH prices and you will find that you can make quite a bit of money from just buying and selling the stuff in the shops

[ff-fanatix]

at the moment i am taking up a new hobby.....MINING

lets see how it turns out

[lordblazer]

I would get 12 mining picks and goto gusgen mines and mine out the darksteel ores.or you can actually jsut go out and farm dude.Thats the best thing oyu can do but if oyu are a WHM then yeah then you should just lvl a new job thats lvl 1.As you lvl that ne wjob you will be able to get crystals and stuff you can stack up if oyu do your research the items your dropped as newbie were really worth a lot if oyu were to stack them.(Bird eggs were 3k a stack when I was a newbie and it took me awhile to realise that.).There are tons of ways to make gil.

[Lionx]

As a lowbie WHM i somewhat just got CP from the abundances of parties and sold armor off til lvl 36ish. Then i would teleport around and kill elementals for money. Mining is great too, Gusgen like LB said can have a great abundance in Darksteel or at least the possibility.

At lvl 40 try to get your linkshell to do BC40.

[lordblazer]

Yeah and if oyu wanna save gil anmd not buy mining picks oyu should make them its a lvl 0 item to mak ejsut farm fire crystals and buy some lumber and brassignots.Then jsut go out and make them on the spot while your mining.Just odn't let a JP player using a bot come in and do it constantly until the mining point moves in gusgen mines because its really dangerous..Also if your a lvl 25 or higher WHM you should goto valkrum and offer up your services as a PLer.Gil is everywher eont he game so never panic when you run low.WE all run low on gil sometimes heck do what i did and blackmail a monopolizer lol.

[Lionx]

As much as it could be gil i urge people never to power level. It creates newbs that wouldnt know what to do at higher levels especially WHMs...you really dont want them to be not provoking(because you are tanking it) or healing and managing MP poorly when they should have learned it at the Dunes. That and unless its 60K an hour or more, i can make better money elsewhere with a craft or even farming with more fun.

If people mess up in the Dunes, they need to die(not in a malicious way) and LEARN why they died. While some obviously dont deserve the death and feel frustration, its a consequence of poor party performance and the higher levels who is playing there the third or more times need to help the newbs keep in shape, and learn their jobs. Face the death for the greater good and not create lvl 35 newbs...(i SEEN TONS I SWEAR I HATE IT ><)

[Miriel]

Do Taru-dances for gil.

[lordblazer]

As much as it could be gil i urge people never to power level. It creates newbs that wouldnt know what to do at higher levels especially WHMs...you really dont want them to be not provoking(because you are tanking it) or healing and managing MP poorly when they should have learned it at the Dunes. That and unless its 60K an hour or more, i can make better money elsewhere with a craft or even farming with more fun.

If people mess up in the Dunes, they need to die(not in a malicious way) and LEARN why they died. While some obviously dont deserve the death and feel frustration, its a consequence of poor party performance and the higher levels who is playing there the third or more times need to help the newbs keep in shape, and learn their jobs. Face the death for the greater good and not create lvl 35 newbs...(i SEEN TONS I SWEAR I HATE IT ><)

well PLing really doesnt create noobs.lets see PLing a PT in valkrum that needs a WHM but doesnt have one and cant find one at the moment PLing is a great option due to the fact that they have a healer.Another thing is that really it only creates noobs when a PT leader depends so much on a PLer and PLing really doesn't make a person dependent so it doesnt hurt much.What hurts a player and a newbie from getting to know the game better is when everything is spoon fed..Such as giving a newbie 10k gil as starting money.Shoot i never had starting gil lol wat about 10 gil lol.Thats the worse I think anyone can do to a newbie.But I remember hwne i was newb a monk by the name of bernar loooked at me and said "I have just the weapon for oyu." He gave me a scythe and I used that for my WAR every since scythes.I mean its a kewlness factor plus Bernar later on helps me get to Bastok sinc ei didnt have a map thena nd i was still a newb jsut now leaving windurst regions due to the fact that i went from lvl 1 - 15 without having to goto valkrum.lol man people get tired of those life stories of mines .

[Lionx]

It does make bad parties. They think they can take any monster out there. With a power leveler, they have much more mana than any mage out there in the Dunes(especially RDMs with Refresh/Convert). Because many a time you cannot take a monster because the more mana used, means that thats how much longer you can take the monster. That and that getting chains are HARDER without a power leveler or with a mage that does not conserve MP well enough.

For those that cannot find a healer, tough luck. Find one around your level so that they can work on conserving MP and not wasting it. Many a time, a party will take snippers around lvl 13. Why i ask them, and they would respond they can take it, only to die a little bit later asking what happened? Many a time, its because they had a power leveler that made it possible for them to take the Snipper at such a low level and that when a REAL WHM or RDM takes charge of healing without one, they screw up. And they will continue to screw up as they level up too. When you have a power leveler, you are technically already dependant on them.

Like you said, its bad when things are spoon-fed. Giving some newb a starter weapon isnt that bad, it just saves them gil. Its not like they wouldnt know how to farm or anything. Partying only comes with experience. Power level = Spoonfeed them through their first parties.

[lordblazer]

It does make bad parties. They think they can take any monster out there. With a power leveler, they have much more mana than any mage out there in the Dunes(especially RDMs with Refresh/Convert). Because many a time you cannot take a monster because the more mana used, means that thats how much longer you can take the monster. That and that getting chains are HARDER without a power leveler or with a mage that does not conserve MP well enough.

For those that cannot find a healer, tough luck. Find one around your level so that they can work on conserving MP and not wasting it. Many a time, a party will take snippers around lvl 13. Why i ask them, and they would respond they can take it, only to die a little bit later asking what happened? Many a time, its because they had a power leveler that made it possible for them to take the Snipper at such a low level and that when a REAL WHM or RDM takes charge of healing without one, they screw up. And they will continue to screw up as they level up too. When you have a power leveler, you are technically already dependant on them.

Like you said, its bad when things are spoon-fed. Giving some newb a starter weapon isnt that bad, it just saves them gil. Its not like they wouldnt know how to farm or anything. Partying only comes with experience. Power level = Spoonfeed them through their first parties.

even though thye have a pler they got limits on mana and really it doesnt create bad PTs if people dont depend on a person to PL them from lvl 1-20 and trust me maybe 9-10 but never ever 1-20 thats what I'm trying to get to you.your thinking too much into the extreme of things. Now I can see when PLing causes bad PTs is when most PTs depend on PLers.Which really don't don't its a luxury to get a PL here in pandemonium..Its a bigger luxury for a high lvl warrior to go on bogy or banshee patrol.

[Lionx]

even though thye have a pler they got limits on mana and really it doesnt create bad PTs if people dont depend on a person to PL them from lvl 1-20 and trust me maybe 9-10 but never ever 1-20 thats what I'm trying to get to you.your thinking too much into the extreme of things. Now I can see when PLing causes bad PTs is when most PTs depend on PLers.Which really don't don't its a luxury to get a PL here in pandemonium..Its a bigger luxury for a high lvl warrior to go on bogy or banshee patrol.

Dude i remember long time ago power leveling a party and i never ran out of mana..

When you power level, you are depending on someone else outside the party. How is it not? You can fight things way stronger than your level. I am not thinking in the extreme of things, what i am saying actually happened. People can power level from 1-30 seriously without much penalty, even after that a little bit too. Then it becomes not worth it.

Lots of ppl camp VE, therefore instant patrol :P That and alot of people power level out of the goodness of their heart. Think about your friend power leveling you. Then this other dude's friend in another party will. The chances of power leveling is high as long as a friend is willing. And how many people are? 1 x 6 because there are at least 6 people on the party. Not to mention its really boring -_-; I am sure if you look at many other FFXI sites most will agree.

[lordblazer]

even though thye have a pler they got limits on mana and really it doesnt create bad PTs if people dont depend on a person to PL them from lvl 1-20 and trust me maybe 9-10 but never ever 1-20 thats what I'm trying to get to you.your thinking too much into the extreme of things. Now I can see when PLing causes bad PTs is when most PTs depend on PLers.Which really don't don't its a luxury to get a PL here in pandemonium..Its a bigger luxury for a high lvl warrior to go on bogy or banshee patrol.

Dude i remember long time ago power leveling a party and i never ran out of mana..

When you power level, you are depending on someone else outside the party. How is it not? You can fight things way stronger than your level. I am not thinking in the extreme of things, what i am saying actually happened. People can power level from 1-30 seriously without much penalty, even after that a little bit too. Then it becomes not worth it.

Lots of ppl camp VE, therefore instant patrol :P That and alot of people power level out of the goodness of their heart. Think about your friend power leveling you. Then this other dude's friend in another party will. The chances of power leveling is high as long as a friend is willing. And how many people are? 1 x 6 because there are at least 6 people on the party. Not to mention its really boring -_-; I am sure if you look at many other FFXI sites most will agree.

i understand that but man its still a luxury and its a rare thing that one person depended on a pler to get him or her to lvl 1-25.Do you understand what I'm trying to say your htinking toom uch in the extreme when you say it makes bad PTs because really a lot of PTs might ask for a PLer but trust me that same PT the next day won;'t rely on a PL that offend.Thats all I'm trying to say.I see the statistics i see the fact htat it make slvling easier but it doesnt make bad PTs the only way it can make a bad PT is if that same PT depended ona PLer every single time they went to EXP chain.

[Lionx]

Apparantly many people that are lower level would like to help some people out like for instance someone that is higher lvl that helped them out and then when they are lvling a lower lvl job, they like to help em out. Its no luxury, every 4 parties, 3 are power leveled on my server. People are even bitching theres too many but who are they to say GET OUT WE DONT NEED YOU!!! when people arrive?

There might not be the same guy that power levels them throughout their levels. It could be one of their party mates, somone on the LS or flist, or it can be that just one dude wanted to(some people are nice like that).

There are some parties that their leader and a majority of them in there REFUSE to fight without one as well. I am not taking it to the extreme because these things actually happen! They do! Else do you really think i would care? This dude at lvl 34 doesnt even know how to tank properly and he was power leveled alot when we asked. -_-

[Lich3636]

I agree with Lionx right now im lving Drk and almost every party i get into either has a pl or try to get me to chip in for one (which i refuse and then get booted while all the ppl in my party call me a noob when half of them dont even have there sub jobs) pls in dunes seem to have gone from luxary to mandatory these days its terrible