Not a direct question from the game.

[Sir Bahamut]

I believe that Ultimecia wanted to compress ALL of time, so yes, all those events would be in the 'set'.

As for your theory, I can agree fine with everything you seem to have ended up with now quite fine(assuming I understand you correctly). All I didn't see was how the heck you reached the assumption that the year 2500 will also feel the effect...

[Future Esthar]

That´s irrelevant anyway.It´s based on the assumption that time passes on TC.
But forget it.
I think I remember the game saying she wanna to compress all of time.That´s great.
Now I will reveal the purpose of this thread.
If all of time were compressed (the magic was executed at some time,no matter)
it means all eras feels it and not only era B (see the meaning some replies earlier).
No matter when Ultimecia activates the magic THE WORLD OF FF8 WAS ALLWAYS A TIME COMPRESSED WORLD.
Ít didn´t matter if time compression is a progressive process because:
1-Let me give an example.
Lets suppose we have two eras C and D.And two instances of the progression of time compression a and b.b>a and D>C.b is the instance where time is fully compressed.
WE also have D-C =b-a.
Eras C and D will evolve with time.When time goes from a to b Era D will not be D anymore but will be an era E.
Should we conclude that time compression will not be feel on era D?
No,because era C will become era D.Of course there isn´t any instance greater than b because time stops but i showed it didn´t matter because there are always eras before others.One can wonder though if this means that there is many states of present .One in which era D feels time compression and another in which it didn´t feel.But...
2-It didn´t make sense to say that all eras get compressed to a "particular time"
If all times get compressed it means they get compressed without a time referencial.
They just get compressed.If all times get compressed (sucked like a whirl of water) to 1000 they also get compressed to 1630 or any other time.And...
3-You can´t compress an infinite time line in a finite time line.
If you take a line segment and reduce it you can do it in a finite time.
But not an infinite line.
So I conclude there isn´t any progression in time compression.
Ultimecia just compress time instantly.It was a magical and instantaneous change of state.

[Sir Bahamut]

If all of time were compressed (the magic was executed at some time,no matter) it means all eras feels it and not only era B (see the meaning some replies earlier).

Definitely.

1-Let me give an example.
Lets suppose we have two eras C and D.And two instances of the progression of time compression a and b.b>a and D>C.b is the instance where time is fully compressed.
WE also have D-C =b-a.
Eras C and D will evolve with time.When time goes from a to b Era D will not be D anymore but will be an era E.
Should we conclude that time compression will not be feel on era D?
No,because era C will become era D.Of course there isn´t any instance greater than b because time stops but i showed it didn´t matter because there are always eras before others.One can wonder though if this means that there is many states of present .One in which era D feels time compression and another in which it didn´t feel.But...

Not entirely sure I understand everything you're saying here. Yes, C will become D, but era D will always be era D. Well, I guess that depends if you think TC limits itself to era D exactly, or if you're talking about all of time being compressed.

And it also depends on whether or not you think time is static or dynamic. Too many "if's" for me to be able to understand your conclusions, so you'll have to go into greater detail here.

2-It didn´t make sense to say that all eras get compressed to a "particular time"
If all times get compressed it means they get compressed without a time referencial.
They just get compressed.If all times get compressed (sucked like a whirl of water) to 1000 they also get compressed to 1630 or any other time.And...

If the line of time were infinite then it wouldn't make sense, true. If it's finite, it does make sense to have a referencial point(namely the point where it is cast) all until time is fully compressed, because then the referencial point would be the same as every other point on the entire line of time.

3-You can´t compress an infinite time line in a finite time line.
If you take a line segment and reduce it you can do it in a finite time.
But not an infinite line.

True. Although, I wonder what would happen if TC moved at an infinitely fast speed? Would the infinities cancel each other out making it possible? Too tired to think it through now though...

Of course we don't know if the line of time is finite or infinite so no point using that factor in arguments.

So I conclude there isn´t any progression in time compression.
Ultimecia just compress time instantly.It was a magical and instantaneous change of state.

I'm sorry, but your conclusion is impossible. As I quoted earlier, we are told that no one but Ultimecia can live in TC, but if TC was an instantanous event, it would be impossible to play the game, as Squall and co would be inside a fully time compressed world already from the start of the game.

Since this is obviously not the case, we can conclude that TC works at a finite speed, and is never fully completed.

[Future Esthar]

Sir Bahamut,I am not saying that era C was on instance a and D on instance b.
I am saying this:

a C%D
b D%E fully compressed
b D%E fully compressed
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If the line of time were infinite then it wouldn't make sense, true. If it's finite, it does make sense to have a referencial point(namely the point where it is cast) all until time is fully compressed, because then the referencial point would be the same as every other point on the entire line of time.

No because if Tc is cast at J and if J is compressed with K then K is compressed with J so it´s relevant where time is sucked.
This is not the same as to reduce a line segment to a point because here you are not performing "space compression".
In Space compression all coordinates become compressed at one .But this is not what happens when you reduce a line segment.You are just deleting the points whose coordenate are not a certain(x,y).
In the Time compression context this would be equivalent to delete all times with the exception of the one in which TC is cast.That way time would be static forever(past and future).Of course this is not Time Compression.In TC all eras are there.

And finally:
To create TC instantaneously is the same as to made it progress with infinite velocity isnt it?

Since this is obviously not the case, we can conclude that TC works at a finite speed, and is never fully completed.

Sad Ultimecia hadn´t realized she can´t complete TC with finite speed.She is really stupid.(Or maybe not).

I'm sorry, but your conclusion is impossible. As I quoted earlier, we are told that no one but Ultimecia can live in TC, but if TC was an instantanous event, it would be impossible to play the game, as Squall and co would be inside a fully time compressed world already from the start of the game.

This is exactly the final conclusion.
Axiom1-Ultimecia wanna to compress all time.
Conclusion1-FF8 world is time compressed.
Conclusion2(or conclusion of conclusion)-Seed can also live on TC along with human beings.

Axiom2-Only Ultimecia can live on TC
Conclusion1:FF8 world is not time compressed.
Conclusion2(or conclusion of conclusion 1):Ultimecia cannot compress all times

So either Axiom 1 is thruth or Axiom 2 is thruth .Not both.

[Sir Bahamut]

No because if Tc is cast at J and if J is compressed with K then K is compressed with J so it´s relevant where time is sucked.

That's what I said: in a finite line, having a referencial point(namely the point where TC is cast) is relevant, ALL UNTIL TC IS COMPLETE because when that happens, the referencial point is the same point as every other point in time.

As for the rest of this point, you must have misunderstood me, or gotten confused. I have always said that TC combines all era into one era, not that you delete all times but the referencial point. And no one brought up "space compression" either...

To create TC instantaneously is the same as to made it progress with infinite velocity isnt it?

Yes.

Sad Ultimecia hadn´t realized she can´t complete TC with finite speed.She is really stupid.(Or maybe not).

She CAN complete it if the line of time is a finite line. However, since we don't know if it is finite or infinite, and there's no way of knowing either, it's pointless to call her stupid or not.

This is exactly the final conclusion.
Axiom1-Ultimecia wanna to compress all time.
Conclusion1-FF8 world is time compressed.
Conclusion2(or conclusion of conclusion)-Seed can also live on TC along with human beings.

Axiom2-Only Ultimecia can live on TC
Conclusion1:FF8 world is not time compressed.
Conclusion2(or conclusion of conclusion 1):Ultimecia cannot compress all times

So either Axiom 1 is thruth or Axiom 2 is thruth .Not both.

Well, clearly Axiom 2 is correct here, since the game tells us quite specifically that no one but Ultimecia can live in TC. But your conclusion 2 in Axiom 2 isn't correct. The correct conclusion would be:

Ultimecia is not able to compress time.

[Future Esthar]

Wheter there is a referencial point or not to TC that´s a matter of interpretation.
But that´s irrelevant for the matter.
Sir Bahamut,the game says Ulti wanna to compress all times.What´s your definition of "all times"?A finite line or infinite?

[Sir Bahamut]

"All times" is simply all of the line of time, regardless of it's length.

[Squall of SeeD]

I just want to hop in here and point out that all time definitely didn't compress at once. Aside from the fact that people other than Ultimecia were still present when SeeD confronts her, she says herself that it wasn't finished. "The world was on the brink of that ever elusive Time Compression." The world was on the brink, not already there. She was sitting around waiting for it to finish.

[Sir Bahamut]

Thanks, Squall, but I already mentioned that fact more than once.

[Squall of SeeD]

Thanks, Squall, but I already mentioned that fact more than once.

Yeah, but the last couple of times you only mentioned that others aside from Ultimecia were still present and I wasn't sure if Future had noted the point about Ultimecia's statement earlier. I just wanted to jump in there to emphasise it. Sorry if it looked like I didn't think you'd make note of that. I know you wouldn't forget that point.

[Future Esthar]

Thanks,Squall of SeeD.We should conclude then that the lenght of time compression is finite.It made point 2 and 3 irrelevant.
But look at point 1.
I already explained that it didn´t matter .
The set of time compressed eras should encompass the era in which she starts time conmpression (which is obviously before Adell chase Ellone.Better,before Adel was possessed.) ,the era in which Squall had defeated Adel and Ulti´s time.Let´s call them era A,B and C respectively.
While the process of compression is happening,time passes equaly on these three eras (and the ones in between).Lets say when she completed the process C is not C anymore but evolved to a later era D in which D-C=C-B. You can argue that time was never fully compressed in C but in D.True and wrong.By that time B evolved to B+(D-C)=B+(C-B)=C so it was fully compressed.
This seems like a paradox.Time is fully compressed at C and not.
The paradox is solved if we consider that there are diferent states of
present.
But a state can´t evolve continualy to another.And the game implies that time compression is compression of different eras from the same state of present(the word "states of present" in the tutorial refers to different eras as present so the meaning is different from mine).
If the range of times compressed at the beggining of TC is from a to b and the time to complete the compression is t then the range of times fully compressed is from a+t to b+t.
Considering the time it takes between Squall defeating Adel and reaching Ulti´s time and a little more (the sorceress is not that patient of course.She wanna to compress time quickly) I can say t is not 17 years but a few hours.
So time is fully compressed atleast between [era A and a few hours] and [era C and a few hours] .Of course the broad of time compression can not be more little than that but it can be bigger.