Wonder how people didn´t notice this.

**Future Esthar** · 07-08-2005, 12:17 PM

SUGESTION

on´t look for proofs for my theories.
Just read them and keep them on your head while you play FF8.As long as you play it many times and as long as you keep listening to my theories,light will be shed in your head.You will see gradually that I am right.In fact the theories are linked like a puzzle.
They can not be seen independently of the others.They are only pieces of a big puzzle.I managed to sligtly see the overal puzzle.But it would be difficult to believe the theories until you see the whole.The theories became more obvious the most you can see this whole.This can only be achieved as long as you keep listening to them and when you start to see how they relate to each other.I can not post all of them on a single post.It would take about a month or more.And millions of lines in the post.
Since this is a game not can be proved but of course there would be some theories which would made more sense than others.This is the farthest we can go in.We can give different interpretations to the game
as long as we DON`T CONTRADICT THE EVENTS ON IT.
I am not saying I don´t make mistakes.Of course i can make.
And I don´t know everything about this whole puzzle.I need to research more to find.There were things I don´t understand yet.

**Christmas** · 07-08-2005, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

It happens all the time in the game.You just need to control Squall in the field going back and forth.Eventually the characters will pass over him.This seems just a glitch to me.
Why are you taking me as stupid?
I know how to distinguish between a glitch and a non glitch.

And Unknows,despite I never played FF6,I bet there wasn´t any machine to imitate Celes or Terra.
But there was a machine to imitate little Ellone´s powers.
And for reasons I can´t reveal now(they are related to Adel and the Sorceress War but it´s not the right time to reveal it.I would need millions of threads to show it) the machine was created to imitate even her physical appearance.It was transformed at her image to deceive and confuse people.Not even Doc Odine recognizes it.
Of course in the future Ulti will use it to send her consciousness to the past.
Basically after the real Ellone get to the White Seed ship somehow a battle begins and Elle was taken hostage by Galbadia.Edea was at the ship and (already possessed) manage to give Ellone to Galbadia.
She was adopted by Caraway who changed her name to Rinoa.
General Caraway is in fact a monster(maybe gerogero) who change it´s appearance after being possessed.
The general somehow obtained the machine and give it to the White Seed in Ellone´s place.
They thought it was Ellone and got away.

The general sealed his room to prevent Ellone to use it´s power inside there.He also devised a locking mechanism.
But Watt´s and Zone managed to free Rinoa.
How do they meet Rinoa?That´s another mystery I can´t reveal.
I can only say for now that Laguna and Ward were very smart.Smart enough to recognise the true Ellone.
The general changed the program of the machine so that it will give persons false visions about the past.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I also died laughing after reading this....

Let's just say Julia didn't give BIRTH to ANYTHING afterall. She just farted at the hospital, right? I just knew it!!!!!!!!!! Did you know one of the part that make FF8 interesting, is that Laguna and Julia can't get together but their children make it up for them. But now since Julia just farted at didn't give birth to anything at all, not even a lump of meat, so mentioning of this Julia's character serve no specific important purpose except she farted instead of giving birth.

So "Eyes on Me" also serve no specific purpose since no one seems related to Julia in anyway so what's the point of this song being played in the end? Cause everyone love Faye Wong?

As for Caraway being a monster, I know why!!! Wasn't there a theory saying Rinoa is ALSO Ultimecia, so Caraway is OMEGA WEAPON protecting the chapel.

Ok, back to business. When Ellone is onboard the White SeeD ship, she is OLD enough to know who her real PARENTS are. So if Omega weapon..I mean Caraway adopted her, she jolly well this old dude isn't her old man. So why didn't Rinoa tell anyone about this???

Dun tell me you gonna add "Oh, Caraway brainwash her with Terra Break which deal almost 18000 damage and anyone will be brainwashed after recieving this kind of damage."

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

The last post was edited.

The sorceress never looks for Ellone in the 2nd disk.
It was an excuse.

Fishermans Horizon-The sorceress wanna to scare the citizens so that they hate you and you are forced to leave the city.That way she prevents you to reach the future and at the same time she keeps the citizens in complete ignorance about what happens in the outside world.

Balamb city-The sorceress orders Raijin and Fujin to stay at the hotel.
That way,the sorceress prevents Elone from sending the conscience of the citizens to the "orphanage" time.She also order the soldiers to knock out people if they sleep.
However Ellone somehow(I don´t understand how up to this day) enable the soldiers at the station to the past.One of them see the flower field and the other was in the body of his grandma.
I don´t know how the badamb fish is related to her ability.
Had to research that.
But ellone succeeds anyway because she starts to talk that "peace talk" at Trabia Garden to prepare our heros and then she enable them to the past (with a little help from Irvine).But this time they don´t sleep.They are enable to see their childhood awakened.

Galbadia Garden-The sorceress knowing this gets angry and awaits them at centra.She plans to force Seed to dispose of the Garden.But first she wanna to use GG to pull Balamb Garden out of Centra.
This way she prevents them to go to Centra since there were no other vehicles going there.
At the same time she tries to kill Ellone in the rotative ring of the Garden.
Then Squall and company would be sent to jail without an Ellone to save them.
However Laguna helped Squall to reach Rinoa(Ellone) flying on that machine.A soldier appears pretending to obey the sorceress and intentionaly losed to Squall to help him(with the flying machine).
This Laguna thing looked strange to you?Ignore it for now.
Seed succeeded but Edea has another plan.
To spread sleeping gas over Rinoa should she be defeated.And then at the 3rd disk she pretends she was not possessed.And then you know the rest of the story,don´t you?

You should really send this to Square, all their staffs will be amazed by your...imaginations.It is like FF8 is a totally DIFFERENT story now...I mean, FF8 has turned out to be YOUR story.

**Garnie** · 07-08-2005, 01:19 PM

i thought he was in edeas orphanage but then again he was traveling through time so he could have been there but just a 100000000 years in the futyre or a 100000 years from the past....urgh what am i onabout

**crazybayman** · 07-08-2005, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

The last post was edited.

The sorceress never looks for Ellone in the 2nd disk.
It was an excuse.

Fishermans Horizon-The sorceress wanna to scare the citizens so that they hate you and you are forced to leave the city.That way she prevents you to reach the future and at the same time she keeps the citizens in complete ignorance about what happens in the outside world.

Balamb city-The sorceress orders Raijin and Fujin to stay at the hotel.
That way,the sorceress prevents Elone from sending the conscience of the citizens to the "orphanage" time.She also order the soldiers to knock out people if they sleep.
However Ellone somehow(I don´t understand how up to this day) enable the soldiers at the station to the past.One of them see the flower field and the other was in the body of his grandma.
I don´t know how the badamb fish is related to her ability.
Had to research that.
But ellone succeeds anyway because she starts to talk that "peace talk" at Trabia Garden to prepare our heros and then she enable them to the past (with a little help from Irvine).But this time they don´t sleep.They are enable to see their childhood awakened.

Galbadia Garden-The sorceress knowing this gets angry and awaits them at centra.She plans to force Seed to dispose of the Garden.But first she wanna to use GG to pull Balamb Garden out of Centra.
This way she prevents them to go to Centra since there were no other vehicles going there.
At the same time she tries to kill Ellone in the rotative ring of the Garden.
Then Squall and company would be sent to jail without an Ellone to save them.
However Laguna helped Squall to reach Rinoa(Ellone) flying on that machine.A soldier appears pretending to obey the sorceress and intentionaly losed to Squall to help him(with the flying machine).
This Laguna thing looked strange to you?Ignore it for now.
Seed succeeded but Edea has another plan.
To spread sleeping gas over Rinoa should she be defeated.And then at the 3rd disk she pretends she was not possessed.And then you know the rest of the story,don´t you?

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Rinoa was at the orphanage.Squall was in love for her.However due to her special ability she had to leave the orphanage.Squall´s heart broken hard and from that day he loses the will to depend on others.But when he meets her again his feelings start to boil.He don´t recognizes her but he starts to change due to her influence.
Squall always loved Rinoa.A simple "sister" feeling don´t produce that wreckage on Squall´s life.I grant you that.Love does.Ellone was a special girl to Squall in the same manner that Selphie was to Irvine(Love)
Squall don´t feels that way for machine Ellone (the person that appears as Ellone in the third disk).

HAHAHAHA

Man, What are you on??

Not one single person so far has agreed with your retarded theories. Its because THEY DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE. You are trying to read way to far into the game, to the point where your assuming things that in no way exist in FF8.

I'd go through your posts, and point out all the things which are WRONG, but I would end up Re-writing your entire theory, and I just don't have the time, nor have the interest to do. Even if I did, it would be pointless, because everyone realizes that its all just ridiculous anyway.

Why don't you write Square and the creators and programmers of this game, with your Theories, and see what they have to say.

**Aurora_sword** · 07-08-2005, 02:23 PM

i always thought he was inside his mind,,,

**Future Esthar** · 07-08-2005, 05:35 PM

That´s why they were called theories.They weren´t walkthroughs.

No way.I don´t wanna to contact Square.Not in my wildest dreams.
Don´t do it please(I really prefer to be banned.)

Unknows,Julia IS Rinoa´s mother.
Rinoa meets Caraway at her childhood.
But Caraway "Killed" Julia and sent Elle to Winhill.
She was adopted here but her adoptive fathers were killed by Esthar.
From now you know what happens.
Due to her special ability she was forced to leave the orphanage.
It was here that Galbadia take Elle as a hostage.
I was not referring to the part in which she yelled something and left.
I refer when she had to left the orphanage at her childhood.
Meanwhile Caraway buried Julia´s body in Dingo desert.
Using some sort of mechanism she was sucked into the prision while underground.
Deling bring her to life using some magic and then she became....(try to guess).
In fact,this stresses Julia´s importance in the game.

**crazybayman** · 07-08-2005, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

That´s why they were called theories.They weren´t walkthroughs.

No way.I don´t wanna to contact Square.Not in my wildest dreams.
Don´t do it please(I really prefer to be banned.)

Unknows,Julia IS Rinoa´s mother.
Rinoa meets Caraway at her childhood.
But Caraway "Killed" Julia and sent Elle to Winhill.
She was adopted here but her adoptive fathers were killed by Esthar.
From now you know what happens.
Due to her special ability she was forced to leave the orphanage.
It was here that Galbadia take Elle as a hostage.
I was not referring to the part in which she yelled something and left.
I refer when she had to left the orphanage at her childhood.
Meanwhile Caraway buried Julia´s body in Dingo desert.
Using some sort of mechanism she was sucked into the prision while underground.
Deling bring her to life using some magic and then she became....(try to guess).
In fact,this stresses Julia´s importance in the game.

You seriously must be on crack.

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

But Caraway "Killed" Julia and sent Elle to Winhill.

Where do you get proof of this?

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Deling bring her to life using some magic and then she became....(try to guess).

Or this?!?!?!?!?

**Aurora_sword** · 07-08-2005, 05:50 PM

....this page is total crazyness.....
i don't want to read more
*hits post button and leaves thread*

**Christmas** · 07-08-2005, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

That´s why they were called theories.They weren´t walkthroughs.

No way.I don´t wanna to contact Square.Not in my wildest dreams.
Don´t do it please(I really prefer to be banned.)

Unknows,Julia IS Rinoa´s mother.
Rinoa meets Caraway at her childhood.
But Caraway "Killed" Julia and sent Elle to Winhill.
She was adopted here but her adoptive fathers were killed by Esthar.
From now you know what happens.
Due to her special ability she was forced to leave the orphanage.
It was here that Galbadia take Elle as a hostage.
I was not referring to the part in which she yelled something and left.
I refer when she had to left the orphanage at her childhood.
Meanwhile Caraway buried Julia´s body in Dingo desert.
Using some sort of mechanism she was sucked into the prision while underground.
Deling bring her to life using some magic and then she became....(try to guess).
In fact,this stresses Julia´s importance in the game.

I truly have no idea how you came up with this theory of yours...
You just modified the whole story into your own version of FF8.
Just one little question...

http://www.eyesonff.com/ff8/characters.shtml

The link above show the characters' profile but what is most important is the AGE. Since Ellone = Rinoa so Rinoa should be older than Squall. How do you explain that they are the same age?

**Future Esthar** · 07-08-2005, 06:41 PM

Believe-me,Caraway managed to make it look like they had different ages.
And I don´t changed the story.
I just filled the voids between different events.

**crazybayman** · 07-08-2005, 06:44 PM

It IS final "Fantasy" and all, but this is just going overboard....

so answer my question:

Where are you getting that Caraway killed Julia, and Deling brings her back to life?

**Christmas** · 07-08-2005, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Believe-me,Caraway managed to make it look like they had different ages.
And I don´t changed the story.
I just filled the voids between different events.

What do you mean manage to look like they have different age?
We all know Ellone is already running and kicking when Squall is in his mother's womb.

You are making like Caraway is the main villian and yet in the game he is so minor and pretty unimportant after Disc 1.And since he is so bad, why didn't Square indented him as a boss so that the heros can finish him off?

**Future Esthar** · 07-08-2005, 07:15 PM

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SUGESTIONon´t look for proofs for my theories.
Just read them and keep them on your head while you play FF8.As long as you play it many times and as long as you keep listening to my theories,light will be shed in your head.You will see gradually that I am right.In fact the theories are linked like a puzzle.
They can not be seen independently of the others.They are only pieces of a big puzzle.I managed to sligtly see the overal puzzle.But it would be difficult to believe the theories until you see the whole.The theories became more obvious the most you can see this whole.This can only be achieved as long as you keep listening to them and when you start to see how they relate to each other.I can not post all of them on a single post.It would take about a month or more.And millions of lines in the post.
Since this is a game not can be proved but of course there would be some theories which would made more sense than others.This is the farthest we can go in.We can give different interpretations to the game
as long as we DON`T CONTRADICT THE EVENTS ON IT.
I am not saying I don´t make mistakes.Of course i can make.
And I don´t know everything about this whole puzzle.I need to research more to find.There were things I don´t understand yet.

You didn´t answer to this yet.This explains my philosophy on creating theories

And look,the president double was a monster that was possessed and changed it´s shape.
This is a plot hole.The game never explains how is it that a monster changes shape and helps the president.This is soo weird.This should be the matter of this topic.
I wonder how people didn´t discuss this.

This is strange even in a Fantasy game.

If a monster can do this why do we assume the president himself was not a monster?

And the general is physically equal to the president.He just looks more stronger and fatter..
If Ulti can possess Edea she can also possess a monster.

I personally believe they all were Shumi´s which evolved to monsters and then to these characters.

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**crazybayman** · 07-08-2005, 07:25 PM

You still haven't answered my question, but instead posted more jibberish. The reason you haven't replied, is because its a LOAD OF CRAP, and you have no basis to prove it.

I'm pretty sure that the only people that Ultimecia can possess are other sorceress, like Edea, Adel, and Rinoa. NOT MONSTERS.

The president was not a monster. If he was, don't you think he would've fought back against Edea/ulti?

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I personally believe they all were Shumi´s which evolved to monsters and then to these characters.

HAHAHAHAHA

Now you've gone off the deep end.

**Christmas** · 07-08-2005, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

And look,the president double was a monster that was possessed and changed it´s shape.
This is a plot hole.The game never explains how is it that a monster changes shape and helps the president.This is soo weird.This should be the matter of this topic.
I wonder how people didn´t discuss this.

This is strange even in a Fantasy game.

It is quite obvious that the monster is a minion of the president as the president was expecting Rinoa and gang. Why I know?

Originally Posted by Unknowns

It is based on common knowledge and logical analysis/assumption as I stated before.You dun need to see a hen lay egg to know that it will lay egg. One last idiot proof example:

It is told that Rinoa is a GIRL but there is no proof that she is a girl. So what if she looks like a girl? Must we strip her naked to proof she is a girl?

And Ultimecia can only posses sorceress and no one else, pls go read the story and if she can posses others, why didn't he go posses Squall?

Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I personally believe they all were Shumi´s which evolved to monsters and then to these characters

I personally dun think so.

Btw, what about the age thing?

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