Wonder how people didn´t notice this.

[liamo]

graphics only show a small representation of facts its the story themselves that you need to pay attention to if you spend your time going oooooh pretty everytime you see something new and not pay attention to what they are saying then you miss many many things like future did maybe thats why he keeps coming up with these things

[Xaven]

In reply to Bipper, (also addressing Future Esthar)

Okay, so what are you trying to say? That Square worked really hard to make the graphics very detailed? Does that mean they did not make mistakes? Does that mean that the ability for characters to pass through each other was intentional because Square worked so hard on making it realistic? If anything, that just helps support my "theory" in my other post. Squall and friends are obviously all just dreams of Ellone or someone. I mean, Square made it SOOO realistic for a reason, right? I thought so. Graphics are for looks and appeal.

Oh, and by the way, the question mark bubbles in FFVI were actions by the characters, not mere graphical details. Graphical details are how someone/thing looks, not what they do and how they act.

Also, if this really is the true intended story of FFVIII, why has nobody except Future Esthar actually figured it out? If FE's theories really are the true story of FFVIII, why didn't Square say so? Why did Square tell us the opposite of what FE is? If Square really did want this to be the true story of FFVIII, they wouldn't have made clues so utterly random and minute that only one person has actually been able to see them. How can you believe something that, again, directly contradicts what the story is telling us?

"Hello, my name is Mary."
"No, your name is obviously Hlymsr, because that's what you get when you put every third letter of that sentance into one word! Wonder how people didn`t notice this!"
"What the...? I just said my name is Mary."
"Well, you are obviously hiding something!"

This is comparable to the outrageous nit-picking that FE is doing the storyline of FFVIII.

[bipper]

Wow - yet more pointless rebuttles -
If you want to attack what i am saying then attack what i said. I am simply saying that we need to have an open mind - and TO ME it makes sence.

If that seriously is your theory then grats - i dont buy it and it shouldn't really matter /shrug

Basically we can agree on one thing - the game leads as to assume a few details here and there. When you open up asumptions you open up theries.

"Hello, my name is Mary."
"No, your name is obviously Hlymsr, because that's what you get when you put every third letter of that sentance into one word! Wonder how people didn`t notice this!"
"What the...? I just said my name is Mary."
"Well, you are obviously hiding something!"

This is the kinda crap I was writing about earlier - completely baseless to the forum. Future Esthar has prdouced a few shreds of evidence and tryed to work it all together. Acting like a 5 year old is not getting this anywhere.

Oh, and by the way, the question mark bubbles in FFVI were actions by the characters, not mere graphical details. Graphical details are how someone/thing looks, not what they do and how they act.

Yes, if a character blushes it is and action... if the character blushes it may even point out traits that they are shy, embaraced, or mabey some one in the room let one fly and it stinks ... every action and detail can be explained in different ways. Who cares if they are "Out there"

seeing this in a post makes you see someone is confused... you see to many then you begin to know that the person just might not get it.. you see a final fantasy char do that alot in VI - then you know they are an idiot.

You know this may be the true story or not - who knows - at least he is looking and producing instead of pointing and laughing...

By the way - the satire of you avatar aside - I think it is very suiting Xaven

Also no the graphix are not for looks and appeal .. .well they are.. but the are alot more multipurpose than other posts around here...
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Mr. Liamo - I do agree with you that some things said here do neglect tha base storyline. Who really knows - but you can be looking too deep and forget about some bases no dobut. However, looking to deep should not matter - instead of ripping someone arpart, bring it up and mabey they can work with it or mabey it will disprove them.'
I think Unknowns has been fair at doing this till later in the tread, but most other's i have seen post just to... post i think /shrug.

Bipper gOEs!

[Winter Nights]

I like how you ignored his entire post, took a quote out of context and bashed it, then called his entire post a pointless rebuttle. I think what you and Future seem to be missing is that these threads are for discussing things. If we find that your theory doesn't work, we're gonna discuss why we think it doesn't work. You can't start a discussion on something and then state that everyone is attacking you, if they don't see your way. If you want someone to just pat you on the head and tell you how creative you are, without actually giving it a real look over, go show your theories to mommy and daddy. Otherwise, we have the right to call it baseless and nonsensical, then explain why we feel that way.

[bipper]

Yup, I ignore the whole thread -
It's easy enough to the pot calling the kettle black here. Anyways, rain - your the worst of all the posters that has been urking me here.

A: its not my theory, i am just looking at it
B: Read what the hell i am saying - Keep an open mind is my argument and be productive - i HAVE seen a few good rebuttles but i creadit em to unknowns.
c: I never said that you can't speak - i would like to see the bs that doesnt belong here not posted.

What the hell ever though rain - have the damn forum back and post what ever the hell you think is right to post. I could really give a rats ass on here anymore. Putting words in my mouth and telling me where i stand? Nope - I jumped in cause i seen a few valid points--

People like you are the whole reason I never joined a forum.
Now rot in hell i am outta here

EDIT: Now that's not very necessary. If you do come back watch how you conduct yourself. -Murder

[Winter Nights]

Yup, I ignore the whole thread -
It's easy enough to the pot calling the kettle black here. Anyways, rain - your the worst of all the posters that has been urking me here.

A: its not my theory, i am just looking at it
B: Read what the hell i am saying - Keep an open mind is my argument and be productive - i HAVE seen a few good rebuttles but i creadit em to unknowns.
c: I never said that you can't speak - i would like to see the bs that doesnt belong here not posted.

What the hell ever though rain - have the damn forum back and post what ever the hell you think is right to post. I could really give a rats ass on here anymore. Putting words in my mouth and telling me where i stand? Nope - I jumped in cause i seen a few valid points--

People like you are the whole reason I never joined a forum.
Now rot in hell i am outta here

DRAMA!!! :rolleyes2

Anyway.. As I fail to see any recent posts that don't make some sort of rebuttle, I'm still not sure what you are in a huff about. Everyone has been listing why they have a problem with Future's theories and you jump to his "rescue". Great. You find his theories insightful. That doesn't mean the rest of us should suddenly pat him on the back, despite the fact that much of it doesn't make any sense.

He explains why he believes things, we (especially Unknown) point out what we see wrong with it. Excuse me for not having the time to post three page rebuttles, like Unknown. I'm on mostly at work, so my attention isn't completely on EoFF. I just jump in with what I see wrong with it right off and leave it at that.

I'm sorry that you don't like how adamantly people express their opinions, but please.. Getting in a huff and stating that you are leaving a forum because of it is just to get attention.

[Christmas]

[To Bipper]
So, did you actually read what is post by other posters before making all those statements like I advised you to? I think you have roughly did but did you just choose to read a few lines of Xaven's reply then came up with a conclusion of your own?

You know by doing this is not showing respect to Xaven as he did put up the effort to write the entire post.

You know I read every single of Future's posts before coming up with a rebuttle/comments/statements. It is to show that I have studied and understand his theories and also a sign of respect to him.

[Future Esthar]

I aprecciate your attention but don´t offend members here bipper.Calm down yourself.
FF8 graphics were good enough to hint at the story.
It´s wonderful how they use the graphical details to give a bunch of hints about the storyline.They are so realistic.
I don´t use graphical details to hint theories at RANDOM.
I thought about them too much and of course I use the game scripts and events to state them.
My theories are the result of many years playing FF8 and I start to get intuition to see the game as a whole.
A theory of mine is also a result of the thoughts I have on many events.
As you saw I backed up the Rinoa=Elle theory with graphical details but also discussed events of FF8 like time compression,Ultimecia´s real plan on the game ,etc.. to show that what really happens on the game requires Rinoa being Ellone.
I am no stupid.I know the save points were not Gardens where hunts study to be a seed.
Nor the switch icons at Ulti´s castle were green materia or special draw points which only exists on the future.
My "graphical theories" were very well thought in the CONTEXT of the game.

It just happens that many things that appears on the script were purposedly the result of the lies of some of the characters of the game.
Sometimes they even manipulates the events of the game to make their lies seem true.
That happens almost any time on FF8.
In fact this is the reason why X looks for Ellone everytime in the game.
Because she can see the past and show people how things really were.
(Something X try to destroy performing Time Compression).This is the same reason for Deling trying to shut down Timber Maniacs.
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And I appreciate your respect for trying to argue with me Unknowns.

[Christmas]

As you saw I backed up the Rinoa=Elle theory with graphical details but also discussed events of FF8 like time compression,Ultimecia´s real plan on the game ,etc.. to show that what really happens on the game requires Rinoa being Ellone.

Let me quote an example. In a game the main character look like a cat through what was displayed by the graphics in the games to the eyes of the players. The players realized that the main character is a cat.
But the in game scripts and main events say that the main character is a DOG but not a cat. Dun you think it is contradicting since what you SEE dun TALLY with what the game actually suggest? Same apply with your theory. They dun tally and for the graphicial details, I still cannot agree cause I still dun see how Rinoa is Ellone in those pictures and by playing the game myself.

It just happens that many things that appears on the script were purposedly the result of the lies of some of the characters of the game.
Sometimes they even manipulates the events of the game to make their lies seem true.
That happens almost any time on FF8.

Mind quoting an example from the script or something to prove it. Since the script is a lie, what is there left to believe in anyway?

In fact this is the reason why X looks for Ellone everytime in the game.
Because she can see the past and show people how things really were.
(Something X try to destroy performing Time Compression).

The purpose of time compression is to absorb all the powers of the sorceress, past, present, future to one sorceress which mean a tremendous powerful magic wielding being, something like a God, something like Hyne. Try scanning Ultimecia final form and the description will tell you she is absorbing everything to boost her powers and the fact of "X" or whoever is searching for Ellone is she is the only that can perform all this.

And I appreciate your respect for trying to argue with me Unknowns.

Thanks.

Lastly, you still haven't answer a single question that I pointed out earlier that contradicts with your theory.

[crazybayman]

Lastly, you still haven't answer a single question that I pointed out earlier that contradicts with your theory.

Nor mine (which are WAY back earlier in this thread).

[Future Esthar]

Post this questions again please.

[Christmas]

Check Page 6 of this thread. Almost the whole page is full of my unanswered questions....

But what really interest me is this line:

I don´t have proofs but they fit with the story.

and this is what you say about the camera thing in other thread:

It doesn´t matter,you don´t have proofs.End point.

What you say now really contradicts with what you say earlier on dun you think? You say you want proof but now you say there is no need for proofs.

As for crazybayman's question, just give me some time to search this thread...

[Future Esthar]

I was just saying that your opinion and mine were equally probable since none had proofs.I know you can´t really proof that.

[Christmas]

So I admit and go along with your theory of the parade is kept to the Galbadian since I can't prove that.

But what about you, you still insisted and claim that it fit into the story.

Let's just say a lot of other possiblity can just fit into the story.
Like Hyne is Yevon from FFX.

Cloud from FF7 is living in Esthar and have opened up an item shop. The reason he open up a item shop is blah blah.......

Also Ultima Weapon have Cloud's sword. Cloud must have mutated into Ultima Weapon because of the JENOVA's cell in his body and blah blah blah......

See what I mean?

[Future Esthar]

We can´t proof theories.But that is exactly the fun.If we were able to proof theories there would be no fun because it will break the chance for other theories.But as long as there is no proof people can made theories (using reasoning of course) and share them on the Internet.And they will be endless.This is funny since it adds infinite replayability to the game.And this is the objective of games like FF7 and 8.The hidden things on these games weren´t supposed to be proofed but to be hinted by little unimportant events mainly those that do not belongs to the main story but to secondary stories (like the sidequests or Shumi Village story).