The most important (and maybe the last) theory of mine.

[Sir Bahamut]

You know,if TC can be feel before TC is completed then for symetrical reasons it should be felt at all times in the range.

You may think it "should" be that way, but we know that it isn't. After all, we see all sorts of effects at Adels defeat, yet we don't see any effects in events prior to that, despite those events obviously being 'sucked into' TC.

So you can't say that I am not making sense here. I am merely pointing out what the game shows us. Since the rest of your arguments here forget this, I won't comment directly on them.

What´s the advantage of living in a little "bubble" of time not compressed and rule over a complete crazy freezed world?

Well, Ultimecia seems pretty damn crazy to me, so there might not be much logic behind her decision. But one common idea is that she'd have the power to 'edit' the compressed time in to a line of time which contains her as the everlasting ruler, or something like that.

Anyway, this'll be my last post for a few days, due to holiday.

[Future Esthar]

Just tell me how to post an image using [IMG]?
And when you come back?

[ThePheonix]

Here is the way I believe that it was supposedly happening:

-Ultimicia lives in “the future” as in not a single point in time like the normal plot line of FF8, but spread across the section of time since her coming to power/ creation, or whatever… So she can survive states of time different than those that other characters are accustomed to.

-For some reason, she needs to go back just slightly outside the capability of the machine, so she needs Ellone to do it for her, who’s time magic is farther-reaching.

-This is not actual ‘time travel’, but a way of sending one’s consciousness to influence people’s actions in the past.

-On several occasions, she tries getting hold of Ellone through use of Edea and Rinoa (she must be tied to their sorceress powers-perhaps she inherits them in the future, and is therefore ‘familiar’ with them, allowing her to use the machine to control them)

-She only succeeds when Laguna and the others’ plan is put to action, and Ellone send Ultimicia to the time she needs to be to cast her magic.

-Now, Ultimicia begins ‘pulling’ the time towards her, so that the events further in time would compress before the events further back.

-She reaches the time when the game is currently at (i.e. Beginning of disk 4, after Rinoa is brought back from the past by Ellone.)

-This transfers Squall and party to Ultimicia, as she has ‘pulled’ their time to her own period with time compression.

-Time is not compressed further because Ultimicia is defeated in her own time, which back in their time (i.e. Beginning of disk 4, after Rinoa is brought back from the past by Ellone) would seem to have taken no time at all, since it is the time they return to in the game when time compression reverses.

-Therefore any events before that time in that world were not affected by time compression, and everything returned to how it was before in the time that was compressed (people who did not survive compression, etc.), which they evidently began to live after time decompression.

-Ultimicia did not compress her own period of time before she was defeated, and therefore she stayed that way.

-When Ultimicia gave up her powers to Edea in the past, she was giving up powers that she already inherited from her through a long chain of successors throughout time, so that changed nothing.

[Levian]

This thread explains everything.

[Christmas]

This thread explains everything.

At least yours have a decent of humour but this...It is like having Kefka to convince the world that he is a GOOD guy.

[Future Esthar]

ThePhoenix,your explanation have flaws.
If Ulti,like you say compress time beggining on the further time through the present and into her time then TC must be feeled during the entire game.To say that it wasn´t because she just started TC at the fourth disc and ended when she died is mixing the normal flow of time with the time interval the magic is activated.They aren´t the same.You know,if that were true then we would have multiple states of destiny.
But Sir Bahamut said that time must be set in stone.
This is stated in the game when Ellone says one can´t change the past.
You would then have in an instant TC feeled at all eras and later TC feeled only at the 4rt disc(and not feeled previous to it) which makes no sense .

[ThePheonix]

remember that TC is a magic created by Ultimicia to serve her own precise purpose, so it does not necessarily have to abide by any laws of physics.

Let me explain with a diagram:
The way that time compression could have happened and not felt (experienced) before events on disk 4...

-let E0 represent events before the time Ultimicia traveled (With Ellone's help)

-let the events of disk 1, 2, 3, and the start of 4 (just before TC) be represented by E1, E2, E3, and E4 respectively.

-let Ea represent the moment in disk 4 when time compression 'starts'

-let Ex represent Ultimicia's time

so normally:

E0.....E1...E2...E3...E4.Ea..........Ex

when time compression begins: (i.e. when Ultimicia casts TC)

E0.....E1...E2...E3...E4.Ea......... Ex
E0.....E1...E2...E3...E4.Ea....... . Ex
E0.....E1...E2...E3...E4.Ea..... . . Ex
So Ultimicia stretches the time towards her and then onto her time.
so eventually

E0.....E1...E2...E3...E4.Ea Ex
such that a connection is created between her time and that of Ea

During this moment, Squall and party are pulled through the link and defeat Ultimicia, and as it all happens in the time of moment Ea, time preceding that moment does not experience TC.

Now the reason why the Squall & party from say...2 days ahead in time of Ea did not go ahead and defeat Ultimicia I cannot clearly explain, unless the section of time being compressed actually begins with Ea and ends after E0 (the time Ultimicia traveled to) and that time is warped onto her own time, leaving everything else intact...
something like this:

..........
E0 .....E1...E2...E3...E4.Ea --> Ex

[Future Esthar]

If you are saying that the compression range goes from Ea to Ex only then things are different and I start to agree with you.
Don´t know if Sir Bahamut will agree with your view on TC though.

[Faith Chama]

ThePheonix:
when I read your analysis of time compression, I had to agree that
you roCk!!!

[ThePheonix]

Well, this view of it explains almost everything (if not everything) that happens and how it happens, so it should be quite simple to agree with...

Tell me if I missed anything, and I'll try to explain it.

[Future Esthar]

I use Bink tools to se the FMV´s in the game.
In the Time Compression FMV we see bubbles.These bubbles refer only to the parade events.
Which means the parade was also in the range of TC.
So the range cannot be just [Ea Ex]

I don´t understand your last explanation.Please try to explain better.

[ThePheonix]

The bubbles may not be actual chunks of the real events of the parade, but may have been created by a sort of memoria-type experience allowing events from the characters' and/or Ultimicia's memories to be seen as somewhat-realistic-looking fragments.

For the
..........
E0 .....E1...E2...E3...E4.Ea --> Ex

I was just saying that TC may not have actually included Ea-Ex, but was only supposed to compress E0-Ea, but as it was stopped at Ea, the preceding events were not compressed, and only Ea was compressed with Ex, through some sort of wormhole type phenomenon (part of the magic), therefore leaving the future Squall & party from experiencing TC in their time.(because otherwise they would have been the first to defeat Ultimicia)