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    Default Oh no, Enix made Square suck.

    What's with this attitude, anyway? It doesn't make sense. I've seen countless people say things like "Square sucks now" or "Once they joined Enix Square's plots have been bad" and so on and so forth. This just seems absolutely ridiculous to me. First off, they haven't released that many games at all! Final Fantasy Tactics Advance was an extremely fun and addictive strategy game with a deep system. A few of the other games Square-Enix has published weren't even developed by them, like Drakengard and Star Ocean: Till the End of Time. Neither of those games was horrible by any means, either. I have no experience with Front Mission 4, but it's not supposed to be complete trash. There's no way to tell how bad any part of the Compilation of FFVII is until it's released, so it's unfair and stupid to say those games are going to be bad when little is known about them. FFXII and Kingdom Hearts II look like they'll both be fine sequels, and it's not like XII is making radical changes to the saga. I mean, given the lack of sophistication in the plot department in some of Squaresoft's early titles, how exactly are they getting worse? They continue to turn out pretty solid products, and since they joined Enix they haven't changed much at all. The two companies work fairly seperately, I believe, so it's not as much of a merging of companies as it could have been. Even Crystal Chronicles was a fun game, though it was much more of an action/party title than an RPG.

    So, I've voiced most of my thoughts on the subject. How do you think Square HAS gotten worse since they joined Enix? Someone who's got a decent answer can feel free to smash my opinion into little bits.

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    The reason why people say that? Simple. A scapegoat is needed. Their beloved Square could never do wrong so it obviously must be the fault of Enix. Even though Enix has nothing to do with Square games and vice versa, it's still Enix's fault.

    I'm perfectly content with the games they've been releasing, I think they're great.

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    Note that I am not blaming Enix for the 'slump'.

    I love games from Enix (Seiken Detsu 2 is my favorite) and they worked well with Square in the past (CHRONO TRIGGER!).
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    every1 needs something to complain about, even if its the best.
    i don't blame the slump on Enix. there were a lotta good things about X-2(not sure if they merged by this time), but lets face it, that game was doomed from the beginning. Star Ocean was great (from what i heard), ppl still play XI, so i mean, everythings been going great. just because they haven't been realising history-shattering games, they feel they're in a slump. tis a shame, cuz they're missing out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rengori
    Note that I am not blaming Enix for the 'slump'.

    I love games from Enix (Seiken Detsu 2 is my favorite) and they worked well with Square in the past (CHRONO TRIGGER!).
    Enix help made chrono trigger??? Never new that... thing your lying...
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    Yuji Horii of Enix worked with Hironobu Sakaguchi of Square on Chrono Trigger. http://www.answers.com/topic/chrono-trigger

    That's far more of a collaberation than any current SquareEnix game.

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    Yes, it even said so on the index page of the Chrono Trigger page on the site.
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    Seiken Dentetsu 2 (aka Secret of Mana) was a Square game, unless I'm confused and Seiken Detsu 2 is actually a game.

    And as for crappy Square-Enix games? Go play Fullmetal Alchemist, but I don't but the blame for that monstrosity on Enix.

    I call for a new Dragon Quest game, yay (or better yet, port those old-school DQ games to GBA).
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    I could of sworn that was made by Enix...
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    Quote Originally Posted by abrojtm
    Seiken Dentetsu 2 (aka Secret of Mana) was a Square game, unless I'm confused and Seiken Detsu 2 is actually a game.
    xD
    You're correct. SD2 == SoM == Pure Square.

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    As TheAbominatrix said, people need a scapegoat and aren't bothered by picky little details like "reality" and "truth".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Behold the Void
    As TheAbominatrix said, people need a scapegoat and aren't bothered by picky little details like "reality" and "truth".
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    I don't get it either. I haven't noticed any real decline in quality since the merger. I haven't played FFX-2 so I can't comment on that, but I've played FFTA and loved it, I've played FFI&II: DoS and loved it, I've played FFXI and love it, I've played FFCC and I like it a lot, so I really don't understand the complaints.

    Another dimension to that is my history of secretly loving Enix games (Act Raiser, Soul Blazer, Dragon Warrior, 7th Saga, King Arthur & The Knights of Justice...), I'm pretty much incapable of hating on Enix. They put out some amazing games that manage to innovate. A side scrolling action/sim/RPG? HELL YEAH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJZen
    I don't get it either. I haven't noticed any real decline in quality since the merger. I haven't played FFX-2 so I can't comment on that, but I've played FFTA and loved it, I've played FFI&II: DoS and loved it, I've played FFXI and love it, I've played FFCC and I like it a lot, so I really don't understand the complaints.
    FFXI, FFTA, and FFX-2 all preceded the merger anyway.

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    Shhhhh! That's a secret!

    It's the upcoming games that'll be the real litmus test. By upcoming I mean in the US, such as:

    Dragon Warrior VIII
    Kingdom Hearts 2
    Dirge of Cerberus
    Final Fantasy XII

    If THESE games suck there might be some validity to the argument, but otherwise, it's pretty groundless and opinion based.

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