A very important subtle poll

[Rini]

Riiight.. Are you high on something? Nothing you say really makes sense at all, except for the part with the genetics (and you were able to mess even that up in the end...). Please stop making ridiculous statements with no proof whatsoever and start pondering the philosophy of the game instead.

[liamo]

seifer is alive he isn't well known until the tv incident with the president and becoming the sorceresses knight. as for the telling of seifer execution wouldn't that help in martines plan to kill the sorceress by making what he would have thought as siefers friends by pissing em off and more easy to manipulate in his plan? ph34|2 |V|y l337 5|<!|_|_5

[Christmas]

Unknows says there is little possibility for that.But there is still a possibility.

Let just say me and Xaven got married.
Xaven and I have average IQ.
So, what do you think the chances of us having a super genius kid with IQ above 300?

And for Hyne sake is Unknowns not Unknows.

Since they are Propagators the genetics don´t necessarily need to apply here.
They changed to human form when they reach Earth.

Propagators are also genetic linked by their colours if you play the game. Since they can revive each other if they are the same colours, so are you saying that if Edea is killed and Seifer is alive, Seifer will have the ability to revive Edea?

[Alexander]

And her arms... man, get a life. That's because of clothes. I have gloves that looks a lot like Edea's "hands". Will I be a Propagator when I use them? u_u

[Squall of SeeD]

As far as Edea's hands goes, the Ultimania Guide makes it clear that misuse of the Witch Embodiment (Black Magic) results in physical deformities. This is why she has those elongated claws in place of her fingers, and why those veins are growing across her face.

Further, that's why Adel's body is so deformed, and the same is the case with the Witches encountered as SeeD travels to the future.

[Christmas]

Alright, few more questions and pls answer them with concrete proof and logical explaination and the name is Unknowns and not Unknows or Unknov, I will treat that as a personal insult.

Cid don´t knows she was married.She was possessed at that time(the time Cid meets her).

We knew that Caraway met Julia and have or adopted a child. Julia were pronounced "dead" when child have exist in the world for 5 year.

Julia was transformed to Edea by Deling for some unknown reason which the only the poster below know.

She need to be sent to prision because this is a facility witch has the technology to transform Julia into Edea.

Which mean she is only EDEA after JULIA is dead.
Cid met Edea after this and set up the orphange.Consider all this it take about a few years to happen.

But in true storyline the orphange existed all before this and at least when Julia's child had existed in the world for 4 years which suggest orphanage is there even before the "death" of Julia. So how is this possible that Julia/Edea be in two place at once? Being with Caraway and setting up the orphanage with Cid and also Edea is never Edea until Julia "die".

If you want to say TIME COMPRESSION is the culprit again as stated:

But weren´t them about the same age?
If this is true and Selphie is at its young,Edea should be at her´s 80´s
And Squall at its 60´s
And Quistis at her 40´s
Or something near that.
To explain this,let´s assume Julia is Edea.And Ulti is Julia(as i posted on another topic)
This means that Edea is...
Then she performs time compression.
But we know there is a time loop there in the end.
I will argue till the end on that topic in which i talk about time compression.
I will argue that TC was not supposed to end,that TC never happened at Lunatic Pandora and the first signal of time compression in Ulti´s time would be a geological catastrophe caused by the Lunar Cry in the continent.
The fact that TC ended was an ilusion from Ultimecia.
That big mess we see in the final battle was not Time Compression.Ulti deceived you well here.What smart she is.
Since the world of FF8 was already compressed it´s easy to see how do they have the same age.
Ulti even manipulated her own life in Galbadia (different state of present?)
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Time Compression warped everyone of different time into the same place and let them have the same age at the same time. But this still doesn't explain that Edea/Julia can be setting up the orphanage with Cid while being with Caraway until she is "dead" since she is only Edea after Julia is "dead". Which mean how is she gonna be in two place at one time?

And mind if you answer the genes question and the hand question that is concerning everyone.

[Takara]

This entire thread is an excellent argument against the legalization of marijuana and other drugs, I'd say...

[Future Esthar]

Unknowns,do you remember when Ulti passed her powers to Edea at the end of the game?
Well,since Edea is Ulti we are seeing her twice aren´t we?
Obviously their ages weren´t different.
But we know Ulti time-traveled to Edea´s time.
In the same manner,Julia became Edea and time-traveled to the past.Then she went to Centra.Simple.

And what marijuanas had to do with this thread?

[Xaven]

And what marijuanas had to do with this thread?

You really are clueless.

Edit:

Wait, so sorceress powers were passed from people with the same age, at the same time, and the same place, who are the same person, but not?

[Christmas]

Unknowns,do you remember when Ulti passed her powers to Edea at the end of the game?
Well,since Edea is Ulti we are seeing her twice aren´t we?
Obviously their ages weren´t different.
But we know Ulti time-traveled to Edea´s time.
In the same manner,Julia became Edea and time-traveled to the past.Then she went to Centra.Simple.

The only reason Ultimecia can go back Edea's time is that she is defeated and time compression is screwed and which most likely she and Squall fall into a time warp and got warp to the past.

Look here, during the game no one can travel through time unless by their conscious through Ellone's power. The only way to travel time is in the ending when they used time compression to get to Ultimecia's time.

So course the above may just be used for references purposes since you say the world of FF8 is already time compressed but in a state of "WELL ORGANIZED" Since it is "WELL ORGANIZED it allow people to travel through time at their own will like the "non-organized" time compression?

And if Ultimecia can send her body through time at her own will in that "WOTC" world, why didn't she just come and do all the job herself to make it faster?

Also, she can just travel to the time when Squall is young and bump him off.

And lastly, if she can travel through time in her own will, why do she need Ellone?

And what marijuanas had to do with this thread?

As for this, since you like to give riddles, why dun you try guessing this one then?

EDIT: Dun forget the genes and hand question...

[Future Esthar]

LOOK AT THIS.THIS IS IMPORTANT.
Ultimecia can time travel.
X can time travel also.
This would make them all-powerfull.
In fact X already was able to perform his/her plan.
X was able to possess Squall,Rinoa,Quistis,Zell,Seifer,Edea,Selphie and Irvine.
X plan is not to kill Squall and company but to POSSESS THEM and to use they power to create a great "sorceress" power.Then X wanna them to rule over Timber(and the entire Galbadia).This ALREADY HAPPENED.This was a sad event I must admit.
But there is hope.
Before Rinoa(the fairy) was possessed by X(I am not referring here to the possession in space but her possession on her medieval time) she used her ability.Her ability was experienced by people on many different eras.Including the era in which Squall and company ruled Timber.
This one is what worries X.
Timber citizens then start to worry about the dreams Elle was enabling them to.They were surprised by the fact that the dreams were colective.
X realizes this and don´t wanna Timber citizens to spot what he/she have been doing in the past.
So X decided to entirely change the past.X starts by possessing Edea and compressing time (WOTC).X then convinced Timberians that the dreams were not on different eras but on different places.So ,curious, they decided to left Timber to look for these events.
Some of them stayed at some place but others advanced further.
Despite X performed time compression to confuse them it was better for him that they stayed on Timber.
So X decided to possess two Shumi´s.
One that will had the idea of them to left Timber.
And another that will try to convince them to stay (but will end up going with them).
X then tried to change past events to look different to them.
X wanna Ellone to see an artificial manipulated past.Despite being all powerful X´s actions became limited by Ellone´s watching.
X changes the shape of the events so that Timberians learn wrongly what happens on the past when Ellone enables them to it.
Thus X also starts to chase Elone
(To be edited late night because I have to go now).

[Christmas]

LOOK AT THIS.THIS IS IMPORTANT.
Ultimecia can time travel.
X can time travel also.

If Ultimecia can time travel, there is no need to use Junction Machine Ellone and desn't serve any point of possessing since she can send her body instead just her consious to the past as stated in the game.

This would make them all-powerfull.
In fact X already was able to perform his/her plan.
X was able to possess Squall,Rinoa,Quistis,Zell,Seifer,Edea,Selphie and Irvine.
X plan is not to kill Squall and company but to POSSESS THEM and to use they power to create a great "sorceress" power.

Look, if "X" is so almighty powerful why did he need to possess someone and let them do the job for him. And this "X" can possess multiple people? He/she spilt into several form and possess all of them? And "X" tried to posses them again the prison like you stated earlier?

Squall and company have no "great power" to create "great sorceress power".If you say the girls are all sorceress and have great powers and "X" wanted to absorb them, then the power absorbed is nothing compare to the power absorb through time compression as you absorbed every SINGLE sorceress in time of their powers.

If you see this clearly

Squall : A excellent gunblade wielder from garden with a decent amount of brute strength. Nothing else, no hidden "great" powers...

The same applies to all the other guys, they are just exceptional fighters.

The only "great sorceress power" in the game to be created is through time compression.

Then X wanna them to rule over Timber(and the entire Galbadia).This ALREADY HAPPENED.This was a sad event I must admit.
But there is hope.
Before Rinoa(the fairy) was possessed by X(I am not referring here to the possession in space but her possession on her medieval time) she used her ability.Her ability was experienced by people on many different eras.Including the era in which Squall and company ruled Timber.
This one is what worries X.
Timber citizens then start to worry about the dreams Elle was enabling them to.They were surprised by the fact that the dreams were colective.X realizes this and don´t wanna Timber citizens to spot what he/she have been doing in the past.

Ruling over country and taking over the world is never the intention of the villian in the game. The intention is to perform time compression and absorb every sorceress power through history and the future. The only reason that Edea took over Galbadia is that she needed the military to help her find Ellone. And you do notice Edea dun care how the Galbadia people think of her. If she mind the impression of the Galbadia people on her, she won't kill the president in public. To her, Galbadia is just a stepping stone to Time Compression.

So X decided to entirely change the past.X starts by possessing Edea and compressing time (WOTC).

No one can compress time without the power of Ellone to take he/her back further into the past as stated below.

Ultimecia probably needs to go back further in time to achieve
time compression. Only Ellone can take her back further into ze past.

then convinced Timberians that the dreams were not on different eras but on different places.So ,curious, they decided to left Timber to look for these events.
Some of them stayed at some place but others advanced further.
Despite X performed time compression to confuse them it was better for him that they stayed on Timber.

Just what do Rinoa/Ellone showed them? And are the one that left contribute a lot to your theory or the one that stay?

So X decided to possess two Shumi´s.
One that will had the idea of them to left Timber.
And another that will try to convince them to stay (but will end up going with them).

Which Shumi are you talking about here? NORG, Elder...or some random shumi like those two in the Garden.

X then tried to change past events to look different to them.
X wanna Ellone to see an artificial manipulated past.Despite being all powerful X´s actions became limited by Ellone´s watching.
X changes the shape of the events so that Timberians learn wrongly what happens on the past when Ellone enables them to it.
Thus X also starts to chase Elone
(To be edited late night because I have to go now).

Look, there is no need for Ellone if "X" is so almighty powerful like you stated. X can perform time compression and travel back forth in time through his own will with his body, not just consious, what is the point of Ellone now? Ellone only special purpose in the game is that she can send someone consious back to the past and NOBODY in the game can. I also noticed this "X" just for your information, possessed just too much people and can possess anyone he/she like and even mulitple body unlike what was stated in the game, only limited to sorceress.

Finally, what you stated have absolutely no basis from actually game events nor scripts and information or the Graphical at least through my point of views.
You are just making deductions with no actual linkage to the game nor story. If you can, show some proof like some in game screenshots if you emphasis so much on graphic or some game related informations and not just your deduction/comments.

PS: If this is what you think it is, then the more "X" is Yevon/Hyne.

Point 1: Yevon by himself is a weakling in a sense that he is vulnerable and only rely on possessing others to gain powers. Thus, the same why he wanted possess Squall and Co.

Point 2: You say Timber citizen start to worry by what they see. And we all know that Ellone/Rinoa specialize in sending someone to the PAST. So the Timber citizens will see the events that happened centuries ago or should I say the events of FFX and the true nature if Yu Yevon/Hyne.

So the entire theory is to hide the fact that Hyne is actually Yevon to all those that have already forgotten through the passing of time.

EDIT: You still didn't answer the propagator and genes' question.

[Future Esthar]

Many things Odine says were based solely on Edea´s descriptions(some of them lies) and wrongly conclusions.

[Christmas]

Many things Odine says were based solely on Edea´s descriptions(some of them lies) and wrongly conclusions.

So Edea lie to Odine about something? What might that be and on what basis?

Look, what Edea told Odine is what is going on in the game which everyone knows.

When Odine speak to everyone about the solution of defeating Ultimecia, he spoke of several issue which Squall and CO(including us, the gamers) knew and understand and wasn't that surprised. So which mean what Odine know tally with what Squall know which tally with the in game events.

The only thing that surprise them is the machine Odine invented but that is something Odine himself said.

It is not like Odine speak something and Squall reaction is like "WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU OLD GOOD FOR NOTHING SOON-TO-KICK-THE-BUCKET-RETARDED-FREAK???"

[ZuZu]

everyone knows that Seifer isn't dead...

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