Quote Originally Posted by nik0tine
It depends on what that 'something' is. National pride is bad. It has done nothing but get people killed, and strip people of thier rights. I've yet to hear a single, valid argument for patriotism. It's just blindness.
What are you talking about? Look where national pride got us! The US is a paradise, right now!

Where's the logic in torturing the criminals? A slow and painful death won't bring back the victims any faster than a quick and painless one.