about the origin of ultimecia (big big spoiler)

[Future Esthar]

Who is Ultimecia?
I will show she was two different womans in the game.
First,we know she dresses in red.
Second,she has an organ on her castle.Persons who play organ also play piano.The instruments are different but the technic is the same.
She is the queen of the castle.
Looking at the art gallery there was a picture of a woman named XERAMPELINAE(red clothes).There is a picture about three guys named VIGIL(watchman) and another named VENUS(love).
These were the only pictures about persons and love.
All the paintings tells us about medieval events.When we look at the VIGIL painting we see that they were on that part of the castel before the boss Krysta. The part with the falling candlelight.
Looking at these mens we picture a resemblance with Laguna,Kyros and Ward.
They are always watching.First they watch Ellone talking with Raine.
After they watch the conversation between Odine and his assistants.
One of their missions was to patrol(watch over).
Now considering Ulti wanna her servants to paint her (as any blue-blood queen wanna) we have a picture of her named XERAMPELINAE.
The other pictures must be events on Ulti´s time also.
What is the only other persion on the game which dresses in red ,has short black hair,plays piano and was in love with Laguna?
It is not other than Julia Heartilly.
The identity of the other woman?
I was about to tell you in the topic "Wonder how people didn´t notice it" somewhere at the fourth page.And maybe will.

So Ulti=Julia=????
I will reveal on another topic.

[Aurora_sword]

...your post isn't finished tehre
are you suggesting that she is julia????

[Christmas]

Who is Ultimecia?
I will show she was two different womans in the game.
First,we know she dresses in red.
Second,she has an organ on her castle.Persons who play organ also play piano.The instruments are different but the technic is the same.

I will also quote you an example.
First, Cloud is blonde and so is Tidus
Second, They both use a sword but different kind of swords since Cloud's sword is much bigger but the technic is the same.
Are they the same person?

Looking at these mens we picture a resemblance with Laguna,Kyros and Ward.
They are always watching.First they watch Ellone talking with Raine.
After they watch the conversation between Odine and his assistants.
One of their missions was to patrol(watch over).

Squall is also alway watching. Squall watch Rinoa telling Zell to make her a ring. Squall watch Rinoa getting caught by Edea and hesitate to take action. and etc....

Off Topic: You seem to like to take notice of small minor UNIMPORTANT stuff and make big craps out of it.

[crazybayman]

Who is Ultimecia?
I will show she was two different womans in the game.
First,we know she dresses in red.
Second,she has an organ on her castle.Persons who play organ also play piano.The instruments are different but the technic is the same.
She is the queen of the castle.
Looking at the art gallery there was a picture of a woman named XERAMPELINAE(red clothes).There is a picture about three guys named VIGIL(watchman) and another named VENUS(love).
These were the only pictures about persons and love.
All the paintings tells us about medieval events.When we look at the VIGIL painting we see that they were on that part of the castel before the boss Krysta. The part with the falling candlelight.
Looking at these mens we picture a resemblance with Laguna,Kyros and Ward.
They are always watching.First they watch Ellone talking with Raine.
After they watch the conversation between Odine and his assistants.
One of their missions was to patrol(watch over).

Here we go again......... :rolleyes2

[Destai]

Future Esthar reminds me of that astronomist from the south park episode with the aliens who comes up with random words and traces them back to some sort of relevance.

[Christmas]

There was an earlier thread that discuss this topic and someone post an link to a website which give a in depth anaylsis on this theory until the last line of the page was something like this:

"So just who is Ultimecia? We decided to ask the big boys in japan and they reply, No, Rinoa is not Ultimecia. What an easy way to end the debate"

The "big boys" should refer to the square's staff.
Do anyone know or remember this website? It also have other FF series analysis.

[Aurora_sword]

although...the pictures in the castle must have some meanings...

[boys from the dwarf]

it is a half decent theory but it isnt explained in the game so is untrue.

[GooeyToast]

Not enough proof to justify the theory,

[BG-57]

although...the pictures in the castle must have some meanings...

They needed words that had requisite numbers of (SPOILER) I's, V's, and X's, and Latin was the best way to go. The pictures then had to match the words.

Although the messenger painting may be an oblique reference to Diablos, since he has an attack named Dark Messenger.

[Winter Nights]

So Ulti=Julia=????
I will reveal on another topic.

Jesus Christ, someone kill this guy.

Anyway, I remember reading an article on the matter where a Square rep was stating that while they loved the fact that their fans were looking that deep into the game, the R=U theory was not true. Really need to find that article again. Been a couple of years.

[Squall of SeeD]

So Ulti=Julia=????
I will reveal on another topic.

Jesus Christ, someone kill this guy.

Anyway, I remember reading an article on the matter where a Square rep was stating that while they loved the fact that their fans were looking that deep into the game, the R=U theory was not true. Really need to find that article again. Been a couple of years.

I know the one you're speaking of, but in all fairness, there's really nothing to prove that it was someone from Square who said that. I think it's best to leave that particular matter out of refuting the theory.

[Winter Nights]

You mean that one fansite? Nah.. Wasn't talking about that. It was actually in a gaming mag a few years back. Someone asked that in their letters section and the mag got an answer from Square. For the life of me I can't remember which one it was.. Have to go through my back issues to find it.

Yeah, I never take anyone that says "I have a friend/cousin/boyfriend/brother/whatever that works for such and such game company" for face value. The internet breeds lies for the sake of being popular amongst people you will never meet.

[GooeyToast]

The internet breeds lies for the sake of being popular amongst people you will never meet.

That is an awesome quote, I must say.


~Keep it gooey~

[Destai]

The internet breeds lies for the sake of being popular amongst people you will never meet.

That is an awesome quote, I must say.


~Keep it gooey~

I agree.