about the origin of ultimecia (big big spoiler)

[Christmas]

Didn't you read? Vascaroon is Laguna before WOTC. Anyway, this is the truth about Vascaroon.

After visiting the White SeeD ship for the first time on Disc Three, you can revisit and speak to the girl named Lina. She is teaching the two younger children at the front of the ship. Here, she tells the Legend of Vascaroon. I have written it here for your viewing pleasure, word for word.


Legend of Vascaroon

Once upon a time there was a person named Hyne. Hyne was the ruler of the world. He became lazy and decided to make a tool to make his life easier. Hyne made a neat tool. His tool could make more tools by itself. Soon there were a lot of tools in the world. These tools were actually people.

When Hyne woke up, he was surprised because there were a lot of people. Hyne wanted to reduce the number of people, and used magic to burn up a lot of small people. The small people were children. The people cherished the children very much. So the people rebelled against Hyne. Hyne used powerful magic to fight them. The people couldn't use magic, but they had wisdom.

Eventually, Hyne began to lose the war, because there were too many people to fight, and they were getting smarter. Therefore, he decided to make peace with people by offering them half of his body along with his powers. Hyne cut his body in half and gave the people half as he promised.

Then, another war started. People began to fight over the power Hyne offered them through his body. This war lasted decades. Finally, King Zebalga and the Zebalga tribe emerged victorious and demanded Hyne's body-half to get its pwers. But the body ignored their commands.

Then, Vascaroon came to the rescue. He appeared before the confused Zebalgas and revealed to them that Hyne's half-body was corrupt and possessed no real power. The body-half was actually Hyne's castoff skin. The Zebalgas were angered by this truth, and decided to destroy Hyne. The Zebalgas never found Hyne. People began to call him "Hyne the Magician" and continued to hunt him for centuries to come.

As for Julia is still alive, well, according to what I know from the game, she isn't alive.

[Rinoa_Heartillly]

^^ Thanks! I didn't want to sit and read through alot of pages. *hugs Unknowns* Thanks for decribing it to me!

[MJN SEIFER]

The R=U G=S theorys are FALSE (Even though I've seen them Around in places before)

Wether you belive me is debatable but the fact is that Sqaure Said it was false.

[Big D]

Sqaure Said it was false.

That's debatable

The truth is... Jenova is Ultimecia.
Yep, FFVII's 'background villain' is actually Ultimecia.
There is IRREFUTABLE PROOF in both games.

Jenova can survive travel through space. Thus, Jenova could get from one world to another. If the worlds of FFVII and FFVIII are in fact the same world, then this is fine too - Jenova can survive for millennia, buried in solid rock.

"But Jenova was destroyed!" you all cry. Actually, Jenova's body has the ability to re-form when it's dismembered - even when it's apparently dead.

Both Jenova and Ultimecia are female, and both want to attain God-like power and rule over an entire world.

Jenova has the power to change her form. Ultimecia transforms, as well. Jenova can alter her appearance, gaining the appearance and voice of other people. Jenova and Ultimecia look nothing alike, which proves that they are one and the same, just using different forms.

This is utterly, completely, irrefutably, incontrovertibly, undoubtedly, undeniably, undisputably, indubitablly, unquestionably true.
Coz I sez so.

[Masamune·1600]

What an inescapably and incontestably fascinating conclusion.

[SammieBabe]

This is utterly, completely, irrefutably, incontrovertibly, undoubtedly, undeniably, undisputably, indubitablly, unquestionably true.
Coz I sez so.

That's good to know... I'll be sure to keep that in mind....

[G SpOtZ]

Sqaure Said it was false.

That's debatable

The truth is... Jenova is Ultimecia.
Yep, FFVII's 'background villain' is actually Ultimecia.
There is IRREFUTABLE PROOF in both games.

Jenova can survive travel through space. Thus, Jenova could get from one world to another. If the worlds of FFVII and FFVIII are in fact the same world, then this is fine too - Jenova can survive for millennia, buried in solid rock.

"But Jenova was destroyed!" you all cry. Actually, Jenova's body has the ability to re-form when it's dismembered - even when it's apparently dead.

Both Jenova and Ultimecia are female, and both want to attain God-like power and rule over an entire world.

Jenova has the power to change her form. Ultimecia transforms, as well. Jenova can alter her appearance, gaining the appearance and voice of other people. Jenova and Ultimecia look nothing alike, which proves that they are one and the same, just using different forms.

This is utterly, completely, irrefutably, incontrovertibly, undoubtedly, undeniably, undisputably, indubitablly, unquestionably true.
Coz I sez so.

O_O i always thought Jenova was PuPu. my bad. this completely disproves every other theory that anybody else has ever come up with. truly amazing.

[Sir Bahamut]

Wether you belive me is debatable but the fact is that Sqaure Said it was false.

Wrong. Square have never made any official statements concerning the theory of R=U. If you can find but one credible source, then fine, but until then, Square remain neutral in that sense.

[Big D]

Square remain neutral in that sense.

Either "neutral", or else "having better things to do than worry about trivial nerdy bickering on the internet":goofy:

[Christmas]

The R=U G=S theorys are FALSE (Even though I've seen them Around in places before)

Wether you belive me is debatable but the fact is that Sqaure Said it was false.

What might G=S be?

[Sir Bahamut]

Griever = Squall, I'd imagine.

[Christmas]

If Greiver is Squall means Squall murder himself in the future.

Sound pretty weird to me unless there is some soft of theory that said when ppl in the FF VIII dies, they had a chance to evolve as a GF?

And if Rinoa is Ultimecia, then the other guardians in the castle might be the orphanage gang since Squall is Greiver meaning the castle is actually Balamb Garden. What a twist of plot.....

[Sir Bahamut]

Most people who argue for the theory state that Ultimecia, with her immense powers, turned Squall into a GF so he could stay and protect her forever(otherwise he would have died eventually of old age).

Very farfetched, in other words.

By the way, SquallOfSeeDs Ultimania arrived a few days ago, so we will soon have the translated information on sorceress!

[Masamune·1600]

It's no stranger than any apparent battle between Rinoa and Ultimecia (assuming one is an advocate of R=U), although S=G is inescapably wrong. An examination of the Japanese dialogue makes it very clear that Griever was Drawn directly from Squall's mind, which would obviously disprove the theory. In general, most S=G proponents use the idea in a misguided attempt to further the R=U argument.

EDIT: Ultimania Guide =

[Big D]

It's no stranger than any apparent battle between Rinoa and Ultimecia (assuming one is an advocate of R=U), although S=G is inescapably wrong. An examination of the Japanese dialogue makes it very clear that Griever was Drawn directly from Squall's mind

Wasn't Griever created from the whole party's minds? I seem to recall Squall of SeeD mentioning something about that. Apparently, Ultimecia talks about creating the ultimate GF "from your minds", or somesuch, in either the original Japanese or in the European translations.