about the origin of ultimecia (big big spoiler)

[Winter Nights]

How can there really be a R=U topic when our "Marginally Official Final Fantasy VIII FAQ Thread" refutes it, in the very first post? There isn't a topic to discuss.

[GunbladeMaster]

that may be so but it is still a popular and fun topic to discuss (especially with all the crazy theories)

[Winter Nights]

Okay.. Not much of a theory, if it's been debunked. :rolleyes2

[muzzer]

dont mean to sound very stupid but whats R=U?

[crazybayman]

dont mean to sound very stupid but whats R=U?

Rinoa = Ultimecia. You might want to go back through this thread, and read the previous posts.

[Big D]

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=36341

This is also a good place to look for R=U info

[Gilgamesh of Legends]

dont mean to sound very stupid but whats R=U?

Rinoa = Ultimecia. You might want to go back through this thread, and read the previous posts.

thats alot of reading

[Sir Bahamut]

I wouldn't recommend reading these topics. Rather, you're better off going here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/game/197343.html

Scroll down to the "Time/Ultimecia Plot FAQ". It contains a full analysis on the R=U theory, much more structured and complete than the contents of these topics.

[bahamut_eden]

i have heard someone in another forum talking about ultimecia being rinoa in the future ad griever being squall, which has become her knight. this makes so much sense and i was totally freaked out/shocked/pumped/excited. what do you guys think abouit this?

bahamut_eden

WHOA! didn't see that one coming

[crazybayman]

i have heard someone in another forum talking about ultimecia being rinoa in the future ad griever being squall, which has become her knight. this makes so much sense and i was totally freaked out/shocked/pumped/excited. what do you guys think abouit this?

bahamut_eden

WHOA! didn't see that one coming

Even though I like the idea of this theory, it's not possible.

Ultimecia exists in a time many generations after the time of Squall and Rhinoa. They will have been long since dead by the time Ultimecia is born.

Yes Rhinoa is a sorceress, and people believe that a Sorceress' lifespan is longer than that of a human, especially when looking at how young Edea looks compared to Cid. However, the Ultimania Guide (fact taken from the creators at Square) states that a sorceress' lifespan is no longer than that of a typical human's. Meaning that it is impossible for Rhinoa, and Squall to be alive in the time of Ultimecia, meaning that Rhinoa is not Ultimecia, and Squall is not Griever.

[Rinoa2005]

Who is Ultimecia?
I will show she was two different womans in the game.
First,we know she dresses in red.
Second,she has an organ on her castle.Persons who play organ also play piano.The instruments are different but the technic is the same.
She is the queen of the castle.
Looking at the art gallery there was a picture of a woman named XERAMPELINAE(red clothes).There is a picture about three guys named VIGIL(watchman) and another named VENUS(love).
These were the only pictures about persons and love.
All the paintings tells us about medieval events.When we look at the VIGIL painting we see that they were on that part of the castel before the boss Krysta. The part with the falling candlelight.
Looking at these mens we picture a resemblance with Laguna,Kyros and Ward.
They are always watching.First they watch Ellone talking with Raine.
After they watch the conversation between Odine and his assistants.
One of their missions was to patrol(watch over).
Now considering Ulti wanna her servants to paint her (as any blue-blood queen wanna) we have a picture of her named XERAMPELINAE.
The other pictures must be events on Ulti´s time also.
What is the only other persion on the game which dresses in red ,has short black hair,plays piano and was in love with Laguna?
It is not other than Julia Heartilly.
The identity of the other woman?
I was about to tell you in the topic "Wonder how people didn´t notice it" somewhere at the fourth page.And maybe will.

So Ulti=Julia=????
I will reveal on another topic.

i don't know... julia is rinoa's mum who by the way DIE when Rinoa was five or so!!!! and she wasn't a Sorceress!!!
What,did she make her family think she was death so she could go to the future and try to kill her daughter?????!!!!!

[GunbladeMaster]

Who is Ultimecia?
I will show she was two different womans in the game.
First,we know she dresses in red.
Second,she has an organ on her castle.Persons who play organ also play piano.The instruments are different but the technic is the same.
She is the queen of the castle.
Looking at the art gallery there was a picture of a woman named XERAMPELINAE(red clothes).There is a picture about three guys named VIGIL(watchman) and another named VENUS(love).
These were the only pictures about persons and love.
All the paintings tells us about medieval events.When we look at the VIGIL painting we see that they were on that part of the castel before the boss Krysta. The part with the falling candlelight.
Looking at these mens we picture a resemblance with Laguna,Kyros and Ward.
They are always watching.First they watch Ellone talking with Raine.
After they watch the conversation between Odine and his assistants.
One of their missions was to patrol(watch over).
Now considering Ulti wanna her servants to paint her (as any blue-blood queen wanna) we have a picture of her named XERAMPELINAE.
The other pictures must be events on Ulti´s time also.
What is the only other persion on the game which dresses in red ,has short black hair,plays piano and was in love with Laguna?
It is not other than Julia Heartilly.
The identity of the other woman?
I was about to tell you in the topic "Wonder how people didn´t notice it" somewhere at the fourth page.And maybe will.

So Ulti=Julia=????
I will reveal on another topic.

i don't know... julia is rinoa's mum who by the way DIE when Rinoa was five or so!!!! and she wasn't a Sorceress!!!
What,did she make her family think she was death so she could go to the future and try to kill her daughter?????!!!!!

haha starwars spoof.
Ultimecia: "Rinoa, I am your Mother"
Rinoa: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (kills ultimecia and saves the galactic empire)

[Gilgamesh of Legends]

Who is Ultimecia?
I will show she was two different womans in the game.
First,we know she dresses in red.
Second,she has an organ on her castle.Persons who play organ also play piano.The instruments are different but the technic is the same.
She is the queen of the castle.
Looking at the art gallery there was a picture of a woman named XERAMPELINAE(red clothes).There is a picture about three guys named VIGIL(watchman) and another named VENUS(love).
These were the only pictures about persons and love.
All the paintings tells us about medieval events.When we look at the VIGIL painting we see that they were on that part of the castel before the boss Krysta. The part with the falling candlelight.
Looking at these mens we picture a resemblance with Laguna,Kyros and Ward.
They are always watching.First they watch Ellone talking with Raine.
After they watch the conversation between Odine and his assistants.
One of their missions was to patrol(watch over).
Now considering Ulti wanna her servants to paint her (as any blue-blood queen wanna) we have a picture of her named XERAMPELINAE.
The other pictures must be events on Ulti´s time also.
What is the only other persion on the game which dresses in red ,has short black hair,plays piano and was in love with Laguna?
It is not other than Julia Heartilly.
The identity of the other woman?
I was about to tell you in the topic "Wonder how people didn´t notice it" somewhere at the fourth page.And maybe will.

So Ulti=Julia=????
I will reveal on another topic.

i don't know... julia is rinoa's mum who by the way DIE when Rinoa was five or so!!!! and she wasn't a Sorceress!!!
What,did she make her family think she was death so she could go to the future and try to kill her daughter?????!!!!!

the gets in a car accident, thers no way ulti=julia

[Rinoa2005]

[QUOTE=bipper]Realistically, Rinoa can't be Ulti. Remember what the doc in Back to the future says? I cant phrase it but if a person sees their future self - vs thier past self - BOOM - the galaxy unfolds -or- they feint. Luckily the docs second theory was right, and they merely feint.


TC= no rules!!!! As long they are inside TC ulti is in control!! She wouldn't let this "BOOM" happen!!

Oh and my english is not good so if i screw it up I'm sorry!!

[Rinoa2005]

Who is Ultimecia?
I will show she was two different womans in the game.
First,we know she dresses in red.
Second,she has an organ on her castle.Persons who play organ also play piano.The instruments are different but the technic is the same.
She is the queen of the castle.
Looking at the art gallery there was a picture of a woman named XERAMPELINAE(red clothes).There is a picture about three guys named VIGIL(watchman) and another named VENUS(love).
These were the only pictures about persons and love.
All the paintings tells us about medieval events.When we look at the VIGIL painting we see that they were on that part of the castel before the boss Krysta. The part with the falling candlelight.
Looking at these mens we picture a resemblance with Laguna,Kyros and Ward.
They are always watching.First they watch Ellone talking with Raine.
After they watch the conversation between Odine and his assistants.
One of their missions was to patrol(watch over).
Now considering Ulti wanna her servants to paint her (as any blue-blood queen wanna) we have a picture of her named XERAMPELINAE.
The other pictures must be events on Ulti´s time also.
What is the only other persion on the game which dresses in red ,has short black hair,plays piano and was in love with Laguna?
It is not other than Julia Heartilly.
The identity of the other woman?
I was about to tell you in the topic "Wonder how people didn´t notice it" somewhere at the fourth page.And maybe will.

So Ulti=Julia=????
I will reveal on another topic.

I think Rinoa is ultimecia and the pictures are just to remember her mum!!

Hyne's sake i'm new here and i already hate this guy!!
Where does he get his f**!|@/ Theorys