Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
so milf asks for links. well instead ow writing up the whole list again. i hope i will be allowed to simply copyt from them from a previous post. i hope the higher ups will allow this.

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/kubark.htm#IXE

that is the most acceptable full publishing of the kubark manual i can find. the part on pain gives notes the idea of stress positions.
It's also forty years old. I'm pretty sure they've figured out whole new worlds of pain since then. :rolleyes2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_deprivation as a form of torture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_deprivation the effects of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_execution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabach_technique has been believed to have been used on occassions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_boarding another nasty torture method.

so yep lots and lots of nasty things to do to your fellow man."
Those are the valid things on Wikipedia. Using it as a source for information such as definitions of terms is a-ok. It's rather less reliable - seeing as anyone can contribute - to claim all those assertations are truthful based on what Wikipedia says.

and of course moazzam begg who isn't listed there. but like many. was arrested imprisoned for 3 years (note that he wasn't in afghanistan but in pakistan and was probably not arrest by government or army troops). tortured. then released as innocent. if he was guilty of something why release him? and if he is not why torture him for 3 years? why hold a 10 year old under the same conditions? a cripple who was in pakistan at the time?
And when he got out, Moazzam Begg admitted that he had funded Al-Qaeda and had visited their training camps.

why if these men are guilty can we not try them? why if they are innocent do they hold them? why if they are human can we torture them? and why is this covered up and swallowed by americans who believe that it's okay to torture his fellow man?
If they are guilty, trying them might require revealing some severely classified information and, as we're still smack in the middle of the war on terror, it's hardly prudent to tell the world who your agents and contacts are. And please, don't try and make this out to be an exclusively American thing. Every other nation on Earth has been and almost always still is more than happy to torture people for information. In addition, they were probably released because they gave the US what the US wanted, and in return got their freedom.

Now, let me ask you, if these people are guilty, (And I don't mean they're 'naughty boys' as you so ineptly put it.) they're going to make more than a few claims in order to bring down the US in the world's eyes. I'll believe it when I see it, not when some terrorists with grudges make claims.