Celes and 'Maria & Draco'

[ThroneofDravaris]

Actually most of the main cast have some comedic facet to them in addition to their dramatic sides. Locke has his "treasure hunting," Edgar has his huge boner, Cayenne has his technical ineptitude, Gau is generally wacky, Setzer kidnaps opera singers by grabbing them right off the stage, Mog has major 'tude, Relm is beyond her years and totally hot, etc.

this story has just been left out o the new testament

Why would it be in the New Testament? Genesis is at the beginning of the book.

in the hope for Christianity to further oppress women (strictly IMO, but still kind of true).

The whole reason the Lilith myth was created was to put forth the notion that any woman who wants to take charge of anything must be an evil demon.

Ok, you got me. I don’t know jack about Christianity, I just piece information together…

But it’s nice to see that someone hasn’t completely overlooked all of the comical aspects of FFVI, and tried to pass it off as “a serious, dark story”…

[The Man]

well, at its core, FFVI is pretty dark. World getting destroyed, ruler who wants to "create a monument to non-existence," that sort of thing. It does have a number of comic elements to lighten the mood, however, but I'd hardly call it a comedy.

[bipper]

Thought I would jump in here and post my ill thoughts.

ROUND, ROUND - LIKE A RECORD BABY
Square has never hit me has being very original. It is funny to see them try and nail the same story in different lights. Its like taco bell... same ingredients - different wrapping - and I still cannot get enough of it Little lighter on the digestive track though. I do not mean that in any negative way – I think the ideas are great and have not been too let down by the series. Below I will just briefly touch on three areas: literature types, FF repeats, and Religion in FF series.

OF SATIRE AND COMEDY
Speaking of Kefka - He looks like a Shakespearian mad man And the opera is nearly a rip off of the classic Shakespearian tragedy. Minus – a tragic ending.
And to clear up the word comedy for some – a Comedy in this case is more of a dramatic term, more overly Satirical comedy. – Focus more on the word satire here as this definition is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire:
Satire is a literary technique of writing or art which principally ridicules its subject (for example, individuals, organizations, or states) often as an intended means of provoking or preventing change. In Celtic societies, it was thought a bard's satire could have physical effects, similar to a curse. A satirist is one who satirizes. Satires need not be humorous – indeed, they are often tragic .
-- thought that might be useful?
Comedy is a literal term used to describe a play. They follow a distinct pattern that includes (but is never limited to):
1: Main Character Creates a bond (love, friendship, semimetal attachment) to a support Character
2: Character meets Antagonist
3: Character looses Support Character
4: A revaltion happens in which a Character has certain information reviled ( there is a greek term for this (deusex Macca or somelike that) which means something like answer lowered in basket.
5:Character beats the antagonist
6: Characters reunited
(Remembering a senior class I took – so I know details may be slightly off – my teacher would be so ashamed J )

I would call final fantasy more of an Epic Romance. There are multiple characters and all have their own type of story some tragedy some satirical and some pure irony. It would be pompous I think to say that the story is clear comedy or satire. When all of the stories are combined you come out with more of a romantic outcome (NOTE: I am not talking candlelight, roses, or professional wrestling here )

Again I am remembering this info from nearly 5 years ago so forgive me if some is a little off base


Bipper GOES!

[MJN SEIFER]

You may be reading into it a bit too much...but I'll go with it.

That's because Square are the kind of people who want you to read into it.

Anyone who reads into something a lot is proof that the writers are good writers - not just games but books programes animes film, you name it.

think Final Fantasy 8 was the most origonal... and mabey that is why it was so disliked?

No game (FF or not) is truly origanl but they have some unique-ness. FFVIII wasn't disliked. At least not by me,

Squall's story about being alone an "used to it" seamed a bit soap-ish (for me that's a good thing) if EastEnders had sorcery and monsters it would be FFVIII.

Also - the giant tree in final fantasy IX - oh what did they call it

That would be "Iifa".

well, at its core, FFVI is pretty dark. World getting destroyed, ruler who wants to "create a monument to non-existence," that sort of thing. It does have a number of comic elements to lighten the mood, however, but I'd hardly call it a comedy.

As I already said All FFs (Among other things) have Dark moments and funny moments to. FFVII is about the planet being under threat from Mako and then by a Magic Meteor - But Cloud still has a transvestite scene. FFX has a massive monster destroying everything. - But They still go to "Macerena" temple. They are only 2 examples.

[Prancing Mad]

FF6 is not a joke! Like anything that's worth seeing either in a movie or a game, it has elements of a lot of things. Kefka was evil and funny. Sarcastic too. That's what made him so good! All the characters do have funny parts but that does not make the game a comedy. FF6 is serious business! Serious business (8) lol. See I'm being serious and I made a jk! lol FF6 has awesome deep and dark characters, but it has it's comedic relief. Kinda like Jarjar in star wars 1. uhhh except that the characters are actually funny, and it's a videogame, and it doesn't suck poopoo.

[Daryl]

I'll admit I did not read all the posts following the beginning one, but wanted to comment on how well-written and thought out I thought the initial post of this thread was. I never thought of it that way, but am sure the next time I play, this new insight will add something. I've never liked Celes much. This gives her a bit more depth. Neat.

[Necronopticous]

the next time I play, this new insight will add something. I've never liked Celes much. This gives her a bit more depth. Neat.

Well then this thread is a success.

[Taiyou]

For all intents and purposes, Celes is a monster. She is a living weapon, artifically altered to become a destructive killing tool.

That's so very true. With her being "augmented" as she put it. Also, in her introduction, it said, "Product of genetic engineering." and she's identical to another girl in the game. A clone maybe, bred for destruction?

[reuip]

In my opinion, (FF3 is my favorite in the series) all of the ff games I've played so far have been pretty good.

3 is my favorite for a few reasons. Even though there are many times where comedy is thrown into FF3, and I see it in this game more than most, I think there is a very negative tone to the game. I'm pretty sure this is just my personal interpretation, and that everyone's going to see the game differently, but I really felt the struggle of the characters in this game.

From the world of balance turning to the world of ruin, the personal losses of each character, the baggage each character carried but ignored in order to drudge onward, the falling of different towns and separation of the characters, down to the very music most of the game, it gave me a strong negative feeling, like the characters in the game really were struggling the whole time (even if 16-bit really cant show that on their faces )

I think Gau, Ultros, and Kefka (at times) were meant to ease some of the negative tension in the game, but for the majority of the time, it seems to hold a "we're screwed no matter what we do" tone to it, from each characters losses in the past (locke's rachel, cyan's family, etc.) to towns like Narshe feeling they were at a loss whether they fought or not.

Again, I'm sure I just like the negative tone it gives because it shows the struggle in the game, and since that's what I like, i notice it more. Everyones different, right?


also, to the guy on the first page who said no FF game is that deep or hard to grasp...basically called the whole series simple, I'm sorry, but have you ever played FFT?

I still cant tell you whats going on half the time outside of Ramza, all those other characters killing each other and whos alive at the end and whos not and who is using who..

heck they give you a whole page dedicated to updated profiles of like 40+characters just incase you have no clue whats going on anymore..

even a compilation of old videos should you want to see what happened again.

i think all of the games have some depth (with maybe the exception of say FF for nintendo) but if you want a raw example of complexity, that sure must be it

Edit by Kishi: Don't double-post.

[cc_ask]

interesting theory but i always thought maria/ celes was representing rachael. the lyrics:
"We must part now. My life goes on.
But my heart won't give you up.
Ere I walk away, let me hear you say.
I meant as much to you...
So gently, you touched my heart.
I will be forever yours.
Come what may, I won't age a day.
I'll wait for you, always..."
i wont age a day? sounds like rachael to me, maybe im just missing something

[Guitar Woman]

To me, Celes' attempted suicide was the most dramatic scene in a Final Fantasy game to date. No, scratch that. It was the most dramatic scene anywhere, ever.
And anyone who dares to compare that piece of chocobo [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] known as FF7 to this game should be beaten with a saguaro cactus. >:

[Sasquatch]

interesting theory but i always thought maria/ celes was representing rachael. the lyrics:
"We must part now. My life goes on.
But my heart won't give you up.
Ere I walk away, let me hear you say.
I meant as much to you...
So gently, you touched my heart.
I will be forever yours.
Come what may, I won't age a day.
I'll wait for you, always..."
i wont age a day? sounds like rachael to me, maybe im just missing something

I've thought that for a while. Don't know any validity of it, though.

[ThroneofDravaris]

To me, Celes' attempted suicide was the most dramatic scene in a Final Fantasy game to date. No, scratch that. It was the most dramatic scene anywhere, ever.
And anyone who dares to compare that piece of chocobo [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] known as FF7 to this game should be beaten with a saguaro cactus. >:

Lol, you don’t play many games/watch many movies/live in general if you think that Celes’ suicide scene is the most dramatic scene ever…

I think you’ll find that there are far more people how would vote for Aeris’ Death as the most dramatic FF moment over Celes’ little fit any day. The only reason FF7 isn’t held in high regard now days as it was when it was first released is:

1. Sephiroth Fanboys
2. Idiots that think by glorifying Classic FF games and [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]ting all over the mainstream ones it somehow makes them superior.

You can say that Celes’ suicide attempt was ever so dramatic and treasure it as ‘the greatest FF scene ever’, but in the end it was simply just a way for the game to tell you that you just f@#$ed up a mini game.

[MagusBoy]

but nobody swoons over Leo.

I love Leo. I have swooned over his mature talk with little Terra.
maybe not so much...

I would say that FF6 has one of the better endings of the games (especially the more recent ones), I actually felt some closure at the end. Most of the younger games have you wondering what happens to the main characters at the end. I think during the ending you also get to see each charcter as they developed throughout. While some might not have changed a whole lot (Cyan's ineptness at machinery)... some have changed soo-o-o-o-ooooo much. Watching the character's grow and change can make ANY game a good one. Yeah, Aeris died... it was a change. Yeah, Squall finally loosens up... CHANGE. Yeah, Steiner loosened up too! MORE CHANGE! I think that for any game to have you (the player) relate to some character in some sort of way means it is a good game. As Necron noticed that Celes made a change and other stuff (which was highly insightful and very well-written BTW) he had a type of connection and realized that she changed. When you get the static main character ... ::ahem::cloud... that doesn't change (except for his clothes) it makes things a little less "connected!"

That's just MHO but I think that people should agree with the statement that as long as you can connect with someone in a video game in one way or another, you think it is a good game.

[Guitar Woman]

You can say that Celes’ suicide attempt was ever so dramatic and treasure it as ‘the greatest FF scene ever’, but in the end it was simply just a way for the game to tell you that you just f@#$ed up a mini game.

Oops, was that "saving Cid" thing a minigame?


And I don't hate on FF7 because it's mainstream. I hate on it because it SUCKS. The other mainstream FF's are allright. Especially 9.
Zidane ^_^