"why do we let these terrorists in?"
that was the quetion thousands of people asked after the london bombings. it was of course those nasty muslim immigrants legal or not.
and so it turns out that they weren't immigrants but british born. they were never let in. they were already here.
now this isn't a thread about the london bombings. it is about the fear of every foreigner, muslim, immigrant and colored person.
isn't it a sign of racism in this country when outsiders are blamed for everything?
People are too caught up in invisible borders. We're all on the same planet.
But, no, it's not racism. It's ethnocentrism. Or something.
Ethnocentrism breeds racism. Personally, I think this is racism, although a more mild form of it. People are naturally hateful, and if they can have an excuse to be hateful, mark my words, they WILL take it.
But as Shlup said, we're all on the same planet, and we're all the same. Unfortunately, most of us are stupid fools, but we can't do much about that.
Isn't it called xenophobia?
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I know that I for one didn't say that the London bombers were immigrants. I just said there should be tighter controls on immigration, as terrorists can get in that way. Admittedly it doesn't deal with the problem of home grown terrorists, but it's still a potential threat that urgently needs to be dealt with.
As for blaming outsiders for everything, that has been going on for centuries. Like right after the Great Fire of London in the 1600's the French and the Dutch were blamed. It's human nature and it's not going to change any time soon. It's a way for people to cope with disasters.
look i don't want to sound horrible but the country should be more strict with immigration laws even kick out illegal immigrants who've been here for years fair or not.
sure muslims bombed us because england aint muslim but steretyping doesn't help they should work on enforcing these laws. these attacks made a mockery of the immigration enforcements of england.
remember the quota system? it should be similar to that but less strict makes it fair safe don't you agree?
LET THE HAMMER FALL
What? Why?these attacks made a mockery of the immigration enforcements of england.
Oh, just a point I didn't pick up on earlier. Cloud no. 9's post makes it seem like racism is a purely white thing. Frankly, it isn't. I know more than one Muslim who wouldn't give white people the time of day. Now, you can say "Hey, that's because white people attack Muslims!" but A) You can just as easily say "Non-Muslims are racist thanks to Muslim attacks on non-Muslims!" and B) Two wrongs don't make a right anyway. You hear about racist attacks on white people in Britain's northern towns like Bradford and Oldham all the time. I'm not saying that white people do not attack those of other races, but you can't say that white people are the only racists, which is what Cloud No. 9's post seems to say. I find it interesting that he uses the word "racism" in relation to them, as racism means "Discrimination or prejudice based on race." I could go as far as to say that Cloud No. 9's post was racist, by implying that white people are the only racists he is being prejudiced against them.Originally Posted by Cloud No. 9
Actually I think this has more to do with that fact that one does not want to believe that people they know and such could do such things.
You DON'T want it to be able to be your next door neighbor with whom you play billards with every week.
Let me see if I can make it easily understood(since I seem to make little sense at times).
When something happens you first blame someone you don't know. This is because one does not want to believe that they have been betrayed, that even your next door neighbor could be a terriorist.
And of course who in this world at this time is an easy scapegoat for terriorist attacks? Seems like foreign arabs are a popular choice.
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because they werent supposed to be here in the first place and how they actually got the explosives into the country or how they got the things at all thats how
LET THE HAMMER FALL
Illegal Immigration is not the problem here. Illegal Immigration & international terrorism are not linked in any way shape or form. As was seen an 9/11, Madrid & now London, every terrorist was there legally. Stop confusing the two. The myth that poverty leads to terrorism is too false. Most of the 9/11 bombers were of middle class backgrounds. Bin Laden himself was born into great wealth.
One Man's Terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The IRA here often get called terrorist, some would say rightly so. If that IS so then why wern't the French & various other nations' Resistence fighters during WWII terrorists? The acts & situations are striking similar to the situation here.
If the Resistence fighters AREN'T terrorists. What differentiates the two? Who's job is it to differentiate them? I don't recall the RAF looking for a military target in the Dresden Bombings, their sole aim was to 'destroy the German will to fight' by killing innocents. It never worked then & it won't work now with what the Islamic Jihad fighters want. So the deliberate killing of innocent people isn't the reason why there is a difference.
I believe the difference is simple. A terrorist organisation is any military organisation that isn't State Organised. We all know it isn't just 'terrorists' that can cause terror. Israeli Gunships & British Armoured Cars can do that adequatly enough without being outlawed.
Now we come to the bones of it all. An ideology, of any shape or form, warped or pure of heart, will find a way to surface whether State Sponsored or not. One that is motivated by religion is just as dangerous as one motivated by politics or territory. Beliefs will find a voice, if that voice is ignored or silenced, pen will turn to sword & that belief along with it's followers will harden. It's views become stronger & exaggerated and turn to mistrust then hatred of anyone not of likemind.
These Bombers were men of flesh & blood like us. They had a childhood like us. They probably laughed & joked like us. What was it in their lives that made them believe taking a bomb to a train full of civilians & blowing themselves along with the civilians was a righteous act? What made Harris believe obliterating the civilian population of Dresden was a righteous act? What made Hitler believe Genocide was rightious? And Hiroshima & Nagasaki? What about Bloody Sunday?
The is no one answer. This has been the human race since we left Africa. We all follow something. Whether religion, politics, nationalism, racism etc etc etc. We've never been short of a reason to kill & we never will. People blaming murder on one thing or another is the human brain trying to understand. We will never understand. Once Islamic Fundamentalism dies. Another form will rise. The best we can do as open minded human is to live & treat other like we ourselves would want to be treated & hope it spreads to enough other likeminded people to make the Ideologistic amonst us a minority.
This was rambled, I know but it was a realtime typed thought process. If it makes no sense, I apologise.
In all fairness, its almost always ONLY the stupid fools people take notice off despite the huge amount of decent people around. Thats even the reason why people blame Muslims in general for some idiotic extremeists.
shoden: they weren't supposed to be here? because this is a pure white area?
and exploseives aren't made from some foreign chemical from the depths of the jungle. you can actually make it from fertilizer. it's what the ira did. so there's no reason to say that this explosive was foreign.
bombs and bombers we can make in this country. hell i can make one.
immigration enforcements would not have prevented this attack. these people were born here. they've always lived here. and the chances are that the explives were made here. and if they weren't they aren't part of the immigration system. they were probably smuggled in. not as part of an asylum seekers luggage. and the talks of a foreign al-qaeda cell operator who readied them for the attack. he could have been here claiming to be on holiday. he could have carried nothing dangerous and so nothing wold have stopped him coming in.
quotas would not have prevented this attack even if it was performed by immigrants. don't quotas limit wher they can come from and what use they are to the country? i doubt in the skills section of the form they would have "bringing death to infidel scum". they might be doctors or engineers perfectly good at english too. but with nasty habit of wanting to blow people up. it would be undetectable.
so what use really is branding all immigrants as potential terrorists?
and psychotic this post isn't racist. it is only half about race. it is about the targeting and scape-goating of asylum seekers. the reason why it is about race is that different skin color can make these people easier to spot (not saying all colored people are immigrants (well they are over generations)) oh you know what i mean.
Since when do explosives immigrate?
What was seen in America is now being seen in England. Something like this is a horrific act, and while it can bring out the best in some, it often brings out the worst in others. Right now the English people need a scapegoat, as the Americans did (and, one might say, still do). They have one in the Arabs. An enemy to unite against and destroy, to demonize, to de-humanize, it is something we as humans are far too prone to do.
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