Exactly.Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
If people want to immigrate to your country, that's a sign that your country is doing well. If the waves of immigrants cause problems, governments should find creative solutions to put the immigrants to good use.
Thank God, because if the terrorists realized we have a ungaurded border with mexico that thousands of illegals cross safely everday. We'd have a wave of bombings worse than Israel gets.
Terrorists are well aware of your border situations & despite, as you say, them being 'unguarded', have never ONCE entered America by that route.
Either you're paranoid & the border isn't THAT bad OR, and you'll like this, Illegal Immigration to a country you need to be in for a few years to plan & act on a terrorist attack is POSSIBLY a bad & dangerous way to go about it. It's easier to enter legally. You aren't on the run, you have legal documents etc etc.
OR you COULD be a citizen. It used to be the case where Jihad was never carried out by residents of the same country being attacked. But recently that has been binned. Now they're homegrown. No more Covenant of Security.
There's nothing really left to be said bar reitterate my point, Illegal Immigration & Internation Terrorism aren't linked in any way, other than coincidence. While both problematic, they are seperate problems with seperate solutions.
Not at all. When a massive percentage of terrorists in the world today happen to be Muslim and often Arab as well, that fear is well based, I think. I wouldn't say treating every Muslim and Arab as a potential terrorist - but groups of these people should be watched more carefully, as they have proven themselves to have some... ill-sentiments towards the west, and various... unlawful actions these sentiments have led them to do.isn't it a sign of racism in this country when outsiders are blamed for everything?
Yes, it's not a very nice thing to categorise people and watch them like they're out to get you... but these are dire times, and we're not talking about some mass killings or mass banishment of Muslims within Britain and\or other western nations - simply being on the lookout, watching these communities more carefully because of their tendency to produce terrorist and support terrorist activities.
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I'd agree with the above statement. Anybody notice in America how more and more mosques pop up every day? I mean gosh - if the Islamics wanted to take over the US they probably could... they have enough bases.
What bothers me is the Islamics that come over to the US and demand that the 10 Commandments be taken out of courthouses saying that it is "infringing on their rights to have to look at it." Well, isnt it infringing on my rights TO have it there? If they don't like it, they dont have to look at it as far as I'm concerned. It's radicals that come to the US and use their "rights" to take away my right to have the 10 commandments that scares me. We have to face it- pretty much all "non islamic" nations (and by that I mean nations that have non-islamic leaders) are at risk right now, because some underground guy we dont know about declares a Jihad. I saw this thing on TV yesterday with this Islamic guy saying that he viewed the 9-11 attacks as a "Holy Attack on the Infidels". He beleives it was a good thing. I felt like finding this guy and just beating the living tar out of him.
So am I racist? No. I dont hate muslims. Am I scared of them? Yes. I agree- there is a difference between racism and rational fear.
but it isn't a rational fear. it's grouping an entire people because of a few and being scared of them. and irrational fear is racism.
are we really saying all muslims are to be feared because of a few bad eggs? and not just some muslims say 9-11 as a good thing. many people from lots of different backgrounds and faiths saw it as a strike against america and a good thing.
Well, I honestly don't see any reason why the 10 commandments should be there in the first place. The removal of the 10 commandments would be a good thing and as long as they don't want them to be replaced with Mohammed quotes, I agree with them. Although, aren't muslims supposed to believe in the 10 commandments aswell?
subtract mosques for synagogues and 'Islamics' [sic] for Jews and you have yourself the first throws of Germany in the 1920s, early thirties. You really need to wind you neck in. This is where it starts. Pretty soon we'll have McCarthy style paranoia.
Regarding the 10 Commandments in Courthouses. Why are they there? I thought America took great pride in being secular. Religion & Law are not happy bedfellows.
Okay... So most terrorists are Muslims, therefore the fear of Muslims is well based? I don't think that statement could be any more ignorant.Not at all. When a massive percentage of terrorists in the world today happen to be Muslim and often Arab as well, that fear is well based, I think.
The Islamics do this?What bothers me is the Islamics that come over to the US and demand that the 10 Commandments be taken out of courthouses saying that it is "infringing on their rights to have to look at it.
Oh please... Nobody is in any danger. We weren't in danger before 9/11, and we aren't in danger now. If you truly fear something as obscure as a terrorist attack, then you really need to wake up to reality. Terrorist attacks happen very seldom, and they are impossible to prevent. Why fear what you cannot change?We have to face it- pretty much all "non islamic" nations (and by that I mean nations that have non-islamic leaders) are at risk right now, because some underground guy we dont know about declares a Jihad.
...We weren't in danger before 9/11, and we aren't in danger now. If you truly fear something as obscure as a terrorist attack, then you really need to wake up to reality. Terrorist attacks happen very seldom, and they are impossible to prevent. Why fear what you cannot change?
I truly hope you haven't the audacity to say something like that outside the Net. Otherwise, you'd be sure to get your knee-caps taken as a souvenir by at least a few people who lost loved ones to terror attacks, or even someone who was 'just' wounded, or went into shock. Really, I could understand why Americans thought they were untouchable before the 911 events... but now? After a few thousands died, and two big f*king sky-scrapers went down? Seriously, wake up into reality. There are a gazillion people out there in the world who want to kil YOU, personally, simply because of your nationality and affilliations. Just a week or so ago, more than 50 people were killed in London. 3 days ago, 4 died here, and over a 100 were wounded. Good God, wake up! These attacks don't occur very seldom, they occur FAR too much for comfort, and even one man dead by the hands of those murderers, is too much! And terrorist attacks can be very much prevented and fought against - you just have to want to fight, and not be a head-in-the-sand pansy.
Exactly. A few Great White sharks eat humans, and they are all freaking big with huge mouths and teeth - so we fear them. So are Muslims - there's a small yet far too large percentage among them that are terrorists, and they are well-armed with both weapons and convictions, and they can strike wherever and whenever they want. So, we fear them. Fear is the first step in acting towards a threat. I'm not talking about a McArthy-style sanctions, just keeping an eye out, being cautious.So most terrorists are Muslims, therefore the fear of Muslims is well based?
Jews didn't build a synagogue every freaking second, nor did they express ill-sentiments (not to say hatred) towards their country, and they most certainly didn't blow themselves up and kill others.subtract mosques for synagogues and 'Islamics' [sic] for Jews and you have yourself the first throws of Germany in the 1920s, early thirties.
Last edited by War Angel; 07-15-2005 at 04:13 PM.
When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one yourself... when gazing into the abyss, bear in mind that the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Thats because bush is an ass that doesn't do anything...
I would say he does a bit too much already.
I'd like to see you back that up with proof.
"Oh please... Nobody is in any danger. We weren't in danger before 9/11, and we aren't in danger now. If you truly fear something as obscure as a terrorist attack, then you really need to wake up to reality. Terrorist attacks happen very seldom, and they are impossible to prevent. Why fear what you cannot change?"
And you'r calling ME ignorant? So theres a threat of terror attacks on our nation.... hundreds of people could possibly be killed in the future but theres NO reason to worry! Here's a bit of reality for you- terror attacks happen every day, wether in the US or not. They happen in Iraq, Palastine, London- lots of places. Terrorism is a big deal, and yes, I do fear muslims because of what they teach. They teach that Jihad in the name of Allah is acceptable and that what they are doing is OKAY. THERE IS A REASON TO BE AFRAID. I'd go as far to say that anybody who doesnt have at least a little fear torwards the muslim culture is either ignorant or very un-informed. And this is in no way a personal attack on you- thats not sarcasm. I'm just saying that there is a logical fear behind this.
We should be careful not to tar with the same brush.I do fear muslims because of what they teach. They teach that Jihad in the name of Allah is acceptable and that what they are doing is OKAY. THERE IS A REASON TO BE AFRAID. I'd go as far to say that anybody who doesnt have at least a little fear torwards the muslim culture is either ignorant or very un-informed.
Islam is a faith which preaches tolerance and love. In wake of the terrorist attacks,Muslim leaders have expressed their deep revulsion and contempt for the perpetrators.The extremists who murder and maim innocent people do not represent thetrue Islamic faith -they are a small minority of extremists who pervert Islam's doctrines to justify their evil ambitions.True Muslims, the majority,would never approve of this kind of murder.
If you can't accept that then you are wallowing in ignorance and paranoia.
... and killing everyone who doesn't agree. Seriously, there is little 'love and tolerance' in the Koran, in much the same way there's little 'love and tolerance' in the Bible (the original one, not the New Testament). Those two books are about ultimate justice - and the Koran's ultimate justice involves a lot of killing, especially of heretics, and in the name of Allah, an action which is called Jihad, and is one of the six main pedestals upon which Islam is founded on. That's not criticism, just yet - merely saying how things are.Islam is a faith which preaches tolerance and love.
Now, there are always those who take what was written down with some sanity, not doing everything literally. Otherwise, even Jews would be slaying one another for planting vegetables on the wrong field... However, the stream in Islam which teaches it 'as is' is growing far too strong, and has grown drastically over the passing years. We call it 'radical Islam' because to us, it is indeed radical. But I fear it is not so radical in the eyes of a hardcore Muslim believer. This is where we start seeing lots of people going into the terror business, in the name of Jihad and Allah.
When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one yourself... when gazing into the abyss, bear in mind that the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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