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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    actually raistlin it does.
    Not really. "I like Bush." "Why?" "It's just my opinion - I have a right to it!"

    You have the right to believe whatever irrational, nonsensical thing you want, but I don't consider any conclusion valid unless it is backed up by reasons. A conclusion without a reason is just a slogan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin
    I like this excuse. Notice how during most Republican administrations, the economy has been crappy. But it all must somehow be the Democrats' fault! In some cases it is, but "the true effect a President has doesn't show up until the next Democrat administration who improves the economy"(which is what it typically ends up being) smells a bit of bull.
    Here I'd have to say, "A conclusion without a reason is just a slogan."

    Reason:
    The Joint Economic Committee (JEC) of Congress has just published a comprehensive report analyzing economic performance among the world's major economies (available at www.house.gov/jec.) Titled "International Economic Performance Since the Stock Market Bubble," the report compares growth rates and job creation in the U.S., Japan, the European Union and Canada.
    The report finds the U.S. economy has significantly outperformed other developed economies. This does not necessarily mean President Bush has done a great job, but it unambiguously means his economic policies have performed better than those of our major foreign competitors. In a global economy, it's an unbiased — and important — way of measuring who has done the best job.
    The JEC report notes all developed nations suffered an economic downturn earlier this decade. Financial markets declined and unemployment rose in every major country. The key question is how various leaders responded. Mr. Bush aggressively moved to lower tax rates. He saw how lower tax rates during the 1980s helped trigger a record economic boom and wanted to repeat Ronald Reagan's successful formula. According to the JEC study, President Bush made the right decision:
    c The U.S. economy has expanded 7.8 percent since the recession, the best performance in the developed world. Indeed, it has grown more than 3 times faster than European economies.
    c The U.S. unemployment rate has fallen by 0.8 percentage points — again, the best performance in the developed world. The U.S. unemployment rate of 5.6 percent is far lower than the 8 percent unemployment rate in Europe.
    On the two main indicators of economic prosperity, the United States is head and shoulders above the world's other developed nations. Many of these other nations are governed by politicians who think government should be bigger and taxes should be higher. But this approach inevitably fails, condemning citizens to economic decline and higher unemployment.
    Yet I also agree with:

    America has the world's most powerful economy, but our advantage won't last if Republicans and Democrats waste money on ineffective government programs. We don't want France's stagnant economy and high unemployment, so our lawmakers shouldn't behave like French politicians. That means they should compete to make government smaller, not bigger. They can be sure the numbers will vindicate them if they do.
    Both found here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
    I don't think it would be a bad idea. Many democracies have unlimited terms. If the voters want the same man again & again is it not undemocratic to not let them vote for him?

    I see why it is there, to stop a camouflaged dictatorship, but Ireland, the UK and many others have never had this bar on terms & as far as I know no European country has had a dictator since democracy was introduced to that nation & STAYED a democracy. That would happen only in corrupt governments and corrupt voting & the only major power to have it's voting questioned to a large degree was...well America. It serves a purpose in fragile democracies & corrupt administrations but surely America is neither, is it?
    Couldn't put it better myself I agree.

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    Tifa: I whole-heartedly agree government should be minimized, and that greater prosperity is reached through less taxes and less interference of government in business. You just have to look into many of the threads here which turned into capitalism vs. communism debates to see my opinion, which is probably fairly well-known by now in this forum.

    I've read about the Bush taxation policies. The government, last quarter(or maybe the one before last?) collected more money than ever before - despite Democratic objections that his tax cuts would cause a further deficit.

    My comment was meant more towards the other major deficits of our country, some of which(the Great Depression, anyone?) were caused by Republican interference with business, despite that being against their entire platform.

    However, the Republicans make the mistake of being hypocritical. They want small government when it comes to business...but big government when it comes to social issues, example: anti-gay marriage amendment proposal, anti-abortion activists, etc. The Democrats are, of course, the opposite: they want big government in economic issues, but small government in social issues. Both of their ideas show blatant flaws when it comes to government-funded social businesses(such as schools). Both are equally inconsistent in their logic.

    Me, I don't want the government in economic or social issues.

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    I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just very... uhm.. open with my opinions.

    I do agree with you though on the gov. being hypocritical, but I think both Dems and Rep have that problem. It's hard to say just one side does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifa Lockheart
    I do agree with you though on the gov. being hypocritical, but I think both Dems and Rep have that problem. It's hard to say just one side does.
    Quote Originally Posted by me
    Both of their ideas show blatant flaws when it comes to government-funded social businesses(such as schools). Both are equally inconsistent in their logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin
    However, the Republicans make the mistake of being hypocritical. They want small government when it comes to business...but big government when it comes to social issues, example: anti-gay marriage amendment proposal, anti-abortion activists, etc. The Democrats are, of course, the opposite: they want big government in economic issues, but small government in social issues. Both of their ideas show blatant flaws when it comes to government-funded social businesses(such as schools). Both are equally inconsistent in their logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifa Lockheart
    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin
    However, the Republicans make the mistake of being hypocritical. They want small government when it comes to business...but big government when it comes to social issues, example: anti-gay marriage amendment proposal, anti-abortion activists, etc. The Democrats are, of course, the opposite: they want big government in economic issues, but small government in social issues. Both of their ideas show blatant flaws when it comes to government-funded social businesses(such as schools). Both are equally inconsistent in their logic.
    "The Democrats are, of course, the opposite:..."

    I mentioned both.

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    Yea... I'll just go back under the rock from which I came .

    Sorry, I read your post all the way through, but only the parts about Republicans stuck with me :rolleyes2 .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiroth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
    I don't think it would be a bad idea. Many democracies have unlimited terms. If the voters want the same man again & again is it not undemocratic to not let them vote for him?

    I see why it is there, to stop a camouflaged dictatorship, but Ireland, the UK and many others have never had this bar on terms & as far as I know no European country has had a dictator since democracy was introduced to that nation & STAYED a democracy. That would happen only in corrupt governments and corrupt voting & the only major power to have it's voting questioned to a large degree was...well America. It serves a purpose in fragile democracies & corrupt administrations but surely America is neither, is it?
    Couldn't put it better myself I agree.
    thats the hting though america is a really kinda fake/corperate society.Those commercials.I mean there ar emore commercials on one US channel then on 3 canadian channels combined.Anyway heres the thing and the problem.
    these corporations took it to there advantage to have the two party system and make the 3rd parties useless.They took it to there advantage to make sure anything bush sends passes.Now if you remove the terms of the president to lifetime then things get worse.

    You see in america these corporations keep you busy scared of crap that doesn't exist and no one in the US has a brain because its been drained by the media through brain washing.

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    I wouldn't be opposed to removing the limits, but dear god, not for an existing president. If it went through it should start from scratch.

    But hey, I bet someone a tenner in virtual money that Bush would find a way to get a third term. I could use some fake money!

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    Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent. At this juncture.
    Did you just quote Civ 3?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibsie
    Quote Originally Posted by DocFrance
    Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent. At this juncture.
    Did you just quote Civ 3?!
    No, George H. W. Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Yevon
    According to this, the republicans are floating the idea of changing the constitution to allow Bush to run for a third term.
    Kill me now!!!!!

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    As has been mentioned quite a few times, it's the democrats who are sponsoring this bill, and not the republicans.

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    Yeah so point fingers at your selves not us . Anyways If it passes then good if not then good who cares? Not me I love Bushy and all but I wouldn't vote for him again. TIME FOR A NEW PRESIDENT (well in 2008 atleast )

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