Well, ain't it time to change that?Originally Posted by Destai
Well, ain't it time to change that?
Money, power, sex... and elephants.
-- Capt. Simon Illyan, ImpSec
No, I dont need to justify being Irish. I know I am. I was born and raised here and I still live here. Im pure blood Irish and the language I speak is english like just about every other Irish person. Nope Ive got nothing to prove.Well, ain't it time to change that?
Who says I didn't or haven't? I'm talking generally here. The Irish language here in Northern Ireland is an optional choice in education. A Choice between that & French or German. It was constantly made clear that learning French or German would be far more beneficial career wise. And in a nation where most Catholics could only get blue collar jobs, a foot in the door goes further than a language no one outside Ireland cared about.
It's not ignorance. You beat your head against the wall on this all you want but it's all about suggestion & logic. As for the Republicans here, most if not all Sinn Fein members speak Irish.
Most of the working class Catholics here struggle with English nevermind Irish. There is a lot of school drop outs & lack of the will to be educated amongst the Estates here. A scourge which needs to change fast.
A fhimíneach! Hypocraite!
Conas a deireann tú go bhfuil tú Gaelach nuair níl tú ábalta focail Gaeilge amhain a rá ar bith?
How can you call yourself Irish when you're not able to speak Irish at all?
Money, power, sex... and elephants.
-- Capt. Simon Illyan, ImpSec
:rolleyes2 Because my blood is Irish. I live in Ireland, My parent are Irish, Born in Ireland. See where Im going with this? Dont worry Im sure you'll figure it out eventually.A fhimíneach! Hypocraite!
Conas a deireann tú go bhfuil tú Gaelach nuair níl tú ábalta focail Gaeilge amhain a rá ar bith?
How can you call yourself Irish when you're not able to speak Irish at all?
Your tongue isn't Irish.
Money, power, sex... and elephants.
-- Capt. Simon Illyan, ImpSec
So?Your tongue isn't Irish.
My point again, you can't be Irish if you can't speak it.
Money, power, sex... and elephants.
-- Capt. Simon Illyan, ImpSec
The answer is easily I'm afraid. IDEALLY we'd all be speaking Irish, the scottish would be speaking Scottish & Welsh speaking Welsh. History has taken that away. Yes, it would be great if all Irish spoke fluent Irish, but the English ban stopped this being so & made it a second language here & in our Gaelic cousin's countries.
You are not thinking clearly & infact being prejudiced when you rant on about 'you can only be Irish if you speak Irish'. You're Irish by decent & bloodline aswell as nationality. There's a large minority of Protestants up north want to be Irish & Im happy to call them so. Their ancestral paths go back to Scotland. If they want to join us in a united Ireland I'll be the first to welcome them here. Presbyterian's of Scottish decent actually have had a very large part in getting an independant Ireland. Some learned Irish but most stayed with their born tongue, from Wolf Tone to Arthur Griffith to Joseph Plunkett (unsure).
By saying that you are the one looking ignorant I'm afraid. And might I say a tad petty?
You certainly havent proven any points with that. So am I english because I speak it despite having no english blood and not living or being born there? Dont bother answering. Everyone besides you knows the answer to the question. Well you probably do. I just cant explain why you're having so much trouble grasping that simple logic.
Edit:thanks for back up Cuchulainn.
It ain't a crime to speak it anymore. There are teachers, there are courses in the Gaeltacht, there is Irish literature, TG4 and RnaG too. It can be learned and it can be spoken.
That's fine, it's great, but I stand by my point. I still say that you can't be Irish if you can't speak it, regardless of where you were born or where you live or whatever.There's a large minority of Protestants up north want to be Irish & Im happy to call them so.
Money, power, sex... and elephants.
-- Capt. Simon Illyan, ImpSec
So are you telling me I dont have a nationality Odaise?
It is the spirit not the tongue that decides your nationality. I am certian anyone could learn to speak irish.. does that make them Irish?
STILL Updating the anime list. . . I didn't think I was that much of an anime freak! I don't even want to consider updating the manga list!
I'm not telling you anything, apart from it being hypocritical to call yourself Irish without being able to speak it.
Money, power, sex... and elephants.
-- Capt. Simon Illyan, ImpSec
Quit dodgeing my question and answer it. If you cant it makes sense to say you've provenyour belief wrong. Am I english because I speak english and have nothing to do with england besides that? Is an african who learns Irish Irish if he has nothing to do with the country and has never been there?
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