I need a portable entertainment device for my vacations...

[Destai]

Whats with my game boy can play games too, theres pictures on my computer too. he point is theyre all on one mp3 player.

Yes, you said it: <b>mp3</b> player. To play games, I use a console, and to look at pictures, I use a real screen (or the camera that took the pictures). To read, I use *gasp* paper books. If I cared for organizing contacts and notes and all, I'd use a PDA (which, btw, would smoke the iPod as far as displaying pictures go).

Yeah and take not how the subject is MP3 players and simplifying them and other categories into one. The ipods pictures cant exactly be smoked as theyre is really nothing wrong with them at all. I see no flaws in them compared to a pc screen or a top of the range digital camera. Ipods cheaper than the other things you mentioned also.

edit: and yes the ipod does have a downloadable radio for free as far as Im aware. its called pod cast.

[Lindy]

Damn, and I was going to point out how Zen players have everything the iPods have anyway, but Endless beat me to it.

Lets put it this way, once you take several things and combine them down into one single item, it will never be as good as the separate items on their own.

You can play "games" on your iPod, they're crap games, if I want games I play on my GBA.
You can view photos, but you can't take any? What's the point, I'd rather carry around my digital camera so I can actually take photos as well as showing people them. And the iPod would be "smoked" vs a PDA in photo display since compared to an average PDA, the screen is quite pitiful in both size and display quality.

Secondly, an iPod is not cheaper than those things, since I can get a GBA, Creative MP3 player and a 2 Megapixel Digital Camera for around the same price as an iPod, perhaps a touch more. And with those, I can play better quality games than on an iPod, listen to better quality music, and take photos as well as viewing them. And of course, you know, paper books cost a whole FORTUNE to buy.

iPods are flashy, expensive fashion accessories, nothing more.

[Destai]

Damn, and I was going to point out how Zen players have everything the iPods have anyway, but Endless beat me to it.

Lets put it this way, once you take several things and combine them down into one single item, it will never be as good as the separate items on their own.

You can play "games" on your iPod, they're crap games, if I want games I play on my GBA.
You can view photos, but you can't take any? What's the point, I'd rather carry around my digital camera so I can actually take photos as well as showing people them.

Secondly, an iPod is not cheaper than those things, since I can get a GBA, Creative MP3 player and a 2 Megapixel Digital Camera for around the same price as an iPod, perhaps a touch more. And with those, I can play better quality games than on an iPod, listen to better quality music, and take photos as well as viewing them.

iPods are flashy, expensive fashion accessories, nothing more.

All you did was divide the many categories. Yes a gameboy can play better games but it cant do any of the other stuff. Yes a camera can take photos but it cant to the other stuff. And an ipod can hold more pictures than the average digital camera.

if it can do half of the things I listed its by no means nothing more than a fsdhion accessory. If you honestly think that you obviously arent willing to cinsider its worth because theyre overhyped. They may be overhyped but theyre still very good and vetter than most mp3 players with more options.

[Endless]

I'm not talking about downloading a radio stream (winamp does that fine). I'm talking listening to the radio wherever I am. You know, FM radio.

[Destai]

I'm not talking about downloading a radio stream (winamp does that fine). I'm talking listening to the radio wherever I am. You know, FM radio.

I dont know the details on pod cast but I wa under the impression it was downloading a radio station onto the ipod and carrying it with you. Maybe Ive repeated what you just said. Im not sure. i dont know much about radios.

[Endless]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcasting

Edit: long story short, it requires to connect to the net, and in many cases, to use iTunes.

[Destai]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcasting

Well then I'll admit it. The iPod doesnt have a radio.

[Lindy]

if it can do half of the things I listed its by no means nothing more than a fsdhion accessory. If you honestly think that you obviously arent willing to cinsider its worth because theyre overhyped. They may be overhyped but theyre still very good and vetter than most mp3 players with more options.

It is a fashion accessory because it can't do the one thing that it's intended to do well, you know what that is?

<b>Play music</b>

Simply by posting the Creative site, I linked you to a fair number of MP3 players that are better than the iPod and it's derivatives, do you really want me to post more that are better than it too? Try considering Rio or iRiver players, there's a huge variety in those too.

When it comes down to an iPod, or a player that offers a better sound quality for a cheaper price, I know what I would pick, because I don't need something that is flashy, or has all the extraneous rubbish that iPods carry along. They are not better than most other players, and when you get down the actual internals, they have nothing more than any other kind of MP3 player, often less, which was proved by you listing the features. The things that the Zen players lacked, were things that were not needed in the first place for an MP3 player.

The fact that you have pictures and games on your iPod, well that's lovely, but when you get a portable games console, MP3 player and a digital camera for an equal or lower price than a poor-quality MP3 player with poor-quality games and average picture display, it pretty much proves my point.

[Destai]

if it can do half of the things I listed its by no means nothing more than a fsdhion accessory. If you honestly think that you obviously arent willing to cinsider its worth because theyre overhyped. They may be overhyped but theyre still very good and vetter than most mp3 players with more options.

It is a fashion accessory because it can't do the one thing that it's intended to do well, you know what that is?

<b>Play music</b>

Simply by posting the Creative site, I linked you to a fair number of MP3 players that are better than the iPod and it's derivatives, do you really want me to post more that are better than it too? Try considering Rio or iRiver players, there's a huge variety in those too.

When it comes down to an iPod, or a player that offers a better sound quality for a cheaper price, I know what I would pick, because I don't need something that is flashy, or has all the extraneous rubbish that iPods carry along. They are not better than most other players, and when you get down the actual internals, they have nothing more than any other kind of MP3 player, often less, which was proved by you listing the features. The things that the Zen players lacked, were things that were not needed in the first place for an MP3 player.

The fact that you have pictures and games on your iPod, well that's lovely, but when you get a portable games console, MP3 player and a digital camera for an equal or lower price than a poor-quality MP3 player with poor-quality games and average picture display, it pretty much proves my point.

It plays music just fine Lindy. Its pretty challenging for an MP3 to play music badly and the iPod plays music fine. It holds a large ammount of songs also and the pictures, games and other features are not poor quality at all. Variety and added entertainment arent bad things.

[Lindy]

Ok, lets put this EVEN SIMPLER for you.

iPod Photo : http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL....0.3.1.0.1.1.0

$299 for a 20gb, $399 for a 60gb

Creative : http://us.creative.com/shop/shopcate...?category=213&

Zen Touch : $329 for a 40gb, $249 for a 20gb, bearing in mind these are FAR superior to the iPod (note the 24 hour battery life for a start)

Zen NX Xtra : $299 for a 60gb, $249 for a 40gb, $229 for a 30gb

Already, you can see, Zen Touch is better than the iPod, but cheaper in relative terms, the NX Xtra is more on the level of the iPod, but vastly cheaper.

The fact that you can get a 60gb Zen NX Xtra for the same price as a 20gb iPod Photo, what the heck is the point? A GBA will come to about another $50, and a digital camera will run around $75~130, giving you much more than the pitiful games and average quality photos on your iPod.

Again, the whole point, to play music. Photos, games and whatever shouldn't even enter the equation if you want an MP3 player.

(And I did it in terms of dollars because I just couldn't find the UK Apple site, helpful one there guys, really reaching out to your customers)

EDIT :
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...hoto&n=1067690

$71 2MP Digital Camera

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...e&s=videogames

$48 Gameboy Advance

$299 + $48 + $71 = $418

That's $19 more than a 60gb iPod photo, so what the heck is the point of buying one when, as I have pretty clearly proven, you can get more than that for just a fraction more of the price. Or, heck, you can get either an MP3 player and a good digital Camera or a GBA for less than an iPod, to put it simpler.

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[Destai]

Ok, lets put this EVEN SIMPLER for you.

iPod Photo : http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL....0.3.1.0.1.1.0

$299 for a 20gb, $399 for a 60gb

Creative : http://us.creative.com/shop/shopcate...?category=213&

Zen Touch : $329 for a 40gb, $249 for a 20gb, bearing in mind these are FAR superior to the iPod (note the 24 hour battery life for a start)

Zen NX Xtra : $299 for a 60gb, $249 for a 40gb, $229 for a 30gb

Already, you can see, Zen Touch is better than the iPod, but cheaper in relative terms, the NX Xtra is more on the level of the iPod, but vastly cheaper.

The fact that you can get a 60gb Zen NX Xtra for the same price as a 20gb iPod Photo, what the heck is the point? A GBA will come to about another $50, and a digital camera will run around $75~130, giving you much more than the pitiful games and average quality photos on your iPod.

Again, the whole point, to play music. Photos, games and whatever shouldn't even enter the equation if you want an MP3 player.

(And I did it in terms of dollars because I just couldn't find the UK Apple site, helpful one there guys, really reaching out to your customers)

Lindy it doesnt need to be an iPod photo to have the photos on it. You cant take photots with the average one but you can download pictures onto it with the colour screen. If all you want is the music then dont buy the ipod. Theres nothing clear about it. None of them are vastly superior to the ipod at all. The ipod can do more than just about (if not) all of them even if music quality is weaker on some of them and not by much at all. With al the added features the price does balance up. If all you wants the music then logically you should get the player that specialises in music. I havent denied that once in this thread. But iPods music once again isnt bad by any means.
Plus having them all the features in one small item is worth more than having them sepertaely. Convienience sells.

[Rye]

Neel wins. I agree, not with the book as I didn't read it yet, but on reading. Reading on a trip is fun.

I think I need to make an iPod/Creative/other mp3 players holding hands banner soon. xD

[Lindy]

Time for you to take into account the edit I added there boyo~

Which, is actually quite a useful one in terms of the topic, since it weighs up prices and pretty much proves my point.

If all you want is the music then dont buy the ipod.

Hey, you know, THAT WAS WHAT THE TOPIC WAS ALL ABOUT, there was no mention of "I want an MP3 player that can also view photos and play games", it was "I want an MP3 player", you've just proven my point there that in this case, an iPod isn't what is needed.

Cheers.

[Destai]

Time for you to take into account the edit I added there boyo~

Which, is actually quite a useful one in terms of the topic, since it weighs up prices and pretty much proves my point.

I did actually. Last line pretty much.