Observations of Ivalice, and the result of a world's destruction.

[Lionx]

You know when you play the game after you beat it once? There are Missions like when the Prince left from Babus..and like how difficult Marche felt when he first moved to St. Ivalice. And now there is snow in Ivalice as well...it could be that its just another world altogether that they can go to anytime they wish. Who knows...it might not just be more gameplay.

[Skyblade]

You know when you play the game after you beat it once? There are Missions like when the Prince left from Babus..and like how difficult Marche felt when he first moved to St. Ivalice. And now there is snow in Ivalice as well...it could be that its just another world altogether that they can go to anytime they wish. Who knows...it might not just be more gameplay.

I was able to work that into my theory as well. As I said, the point beyond the endgame is an alternate ending where only Mewt leaves, but the other four special people remain.

[Lionx]

Just on the side note maybe FFXII will answer some of the questions too D: Since its in the same world and all...but it might not be cannon.

[Dignified Pauper]

Just on the side note maybe FFXII will answer some of the questions too D: Since its in the same world and all...but it might not be cannon.

No, it takes place in the same named world as FFT did. St. Ivalice and Ivalice are not the same. Also, with the exception of FFX-2 and FFX being connected, no final fantasy is inter-related. You won't get any answers from FFXII.

[Lionx]

I am sorry but if you saw some of the trailers you definetly see Bangaas as well as Judges. Ivalice is the world of FFT but also the world of FFT:A (St Ivalice however is the real world, not the book, and the two Ivalice's are not related). That and wheres the sources?

[tailz]

yes but story wise they have nothing in comon really nothing

but sky heres a question marche kills everyone in ivalice right?

then mewt has done the same by leaving st ivalice right?

then wich world is more important a a fantasy world or a real world ?

[udsuna]

Actually, the people of Ivalice weren't *entirely* under control. Take, for example, when the laws were tightened. People were complaining, even (in one form or another) breaking them. I can see where Mewt would put such a well-controlled set of laws into the world (note the first snowball fight and how he was targetted, then rescued by the teacher). But, if the people of Ivalice were purely based on Mewt's fantasies, they might have been able to disagree with Mewt's actions... but to actively *resist* them!?!... that's just too far.

Which means that, whatever their source. Dream-inventions, recycled real people, or anything else, they had some degree of independance from those few people whom the world shaped itself for.

[Lionx]

You know that makes me wonder...what about the Jagd areas where Laws are not reached? Is it just a place for gameplay? Or could it mean something? O_o

[Skyblade]

yes but story wise they have nothing in comon really nothing

but sky heres a question marche kills everyone in ivalice right?

then mewt has done the same by leaving st ivalice right?

then wich world is more important a a fantasy world or a real world ?

Tailz, I thought you would've understood my theory by now. Mewt doesn't kill everyone in St. Ivalice because the two worlds exist side by side. The problem occurs when Ivalice is destroyed. While the five special people are in Ivalice, St. Ivalice is running around all hunky-dory. But we see Ivalice eliminated when the group returns to St. Ivalice...

There are tons of possible reasons for the Jagds. I could come up with two dozen theories in my sleep (and, since I'm convincing and drone on long enough that people will agree with me just to get me to shut up, I could even convince some people as to their legitimacy). Personally, I think they are equivalent to Lyle, Colin, and Guiness. They are things Mewt fears. Since I am unsure how geography in Ivalice works, I can't say for sure what they represent. I kind of like the idea that they are suppressed memories, places in his own mind that he is afraid to go, but I really have no proof, and since Mewt never shows up in one, and none of them have crystals in them, there is no in game indication that this might be the case. They could also be places Mewt designed for when he grew more sure of his powers: places where he could go to layeth the smack down on bullies without being hampered by the law. They could be indications of the limits of his imagination. He couldn't envision an entire world or even an entire country, so when he created an entire world part of it wound up beyond his dreams. Like I said, there are tons of explanations, but without a clear view of how the geography of Ivalice relates to things (including Mewt's mind) in St. Ivalice, there is no way to come to a solid conclusion.

[tailz]

yes but story wise they have nothing in comon really nothing

but sky heres a question marche kills everyone in ivalice right?

then mewt has done the same by leaving st ivalice right?

then wich world is more important a a fantasy world or a real world ?

Tailz, I thought you would've understood my theory by now. Mewt doesn't kill everyone in St. Ivalice because the two worlds exist side by side. The problem occurs when Ivalice is destroyed. While the five special people are in Ivalice, St. Ivalice is running around all hunky-dory. But we see Ivalice eliminated when the group returns to St. Ivalice...

There are tons of possible reasons for the Jagds. I could come up with two dozen theories in my sleep (and, since I'm convincing and drone on long enough that people will agree with me just to get me to shut up, I could even convince some people as to their legitimacy). Personally, I think they are equivalent to Lyle, Colin, and Guiness. They are things Mewt fears. Since I am unsure how geography in Ivalice works, I can't say for sure what they represent. I kind of like the idea that they are suppressed memories, places in his own mind that he is afraid to go, but I really have no proof, and since Mewt never shows up in one, and none of them have crystals in them, there is no in game indication that this might be the case. They could also be places Mewt designed for when he grew more sure of his powers: places where he could go to layeth the smack down on bullies without being hampered by the law. They could be indications of the limits of his imagination. He couldn't envision an entire world or even an entire country, so when he created an entire world part of it wound up beyond his dreams. Like I said, there are tons of explanations, but without a clear view of how the geography of Ivalice relates to things (including Mewt's mind) in St. Ivalice, there is no way to come to a solid conclusion.

sky come on you know me i do understant your theorie already but one thing i dont get

when the kids return no one else knows about ivalice but they have been away for a couple of years right and no one would get suspicious when they get back. dont think so now it could be like 1 minute in the real world was the same of a month in ivalice but i dont think there is anything that hint to that in the game

[Skyblade]

yes but story wise they have nothing in comon really nothing

but sky heres a question marche kills everyone in ivalice right?

then mewt has done the same by leaving st ivalice right?

then wich world is more important a a fantasy world or a real world ?

Tailz, I thought you would've understood my theory by now. Mewt doesn't kill everyone in St. Ivalice because the two worlds exist side by side. The problem occurs when Ivalice is destroyed. While the five special people are in Ivalice, St. Ivalice is running around all hunky-dory. But we see Ivalice eliminated when the group returns to St. Ivalice...

There are tons of possible reasons for the Jagds. I could come up with two dozen theories in my sleep (and, since I'm convincing and drone on long enough that people will agree with me just to get me to shut up, I could even convince some people as to their legitimacy). Personally, I think they are equivalent to Lyle, Colin, and Guiness. They are things Mewt fears. Since I am unsure how geography in Ivalice works, I can't say for sure what they represent. I kind of like the idea that they are suppressed memories, places in his own mind that he is afraid to go, but I really have no proof, and since Mewt never shows up in one, and none of them have crystals in them, there is no in game indication that this might be the case. They could also be places Mewt designed for when he grew more sure of his powers: places where he could go to layeth the smack down on bullies without being hampered by the law. They could be indications of the limits of his imagination. He couldn't envision an entire world or even an entire country, so when he created an entire world part of it wound up beyond his dreams. Like I said, there are tons of explanations, but without a clear view of how the geography of Ivalice relates to things (including Mewt's mind) in St. Ivalice, there is no way to come to a solid conclusion.

sky come on you know me i do understant your theorie already but one thing i dont get

when the kids return no one else knows about ivalice but they have been away for a couple of years right and no one would get suspicious when they get back. dont think so now it could be like 1 minute in the real world was the same of a month in ivalice but i dont think there is anything that hint to that in the game

Well done. It took longer than I expected, but someone finally latched on to the biggest gap in my theory. I've been considering this since the beginning, but haven't addressed it because I'm not sure how to go about doing so. There are several possible explanations that could fit in with my theory, but none of them are actually supported by in game evidence, so I didn't feel like I should present them.

[tailz]

well wat if ivalice would be a dream world they are there when they are asleep and when they go back they wake up

but that would mean ivalice wouldnt exist.

[Skyblade]

well wat if ivalice would be a dream world they are there when they are asleep and when they go back they wake up

but that would mean ivalice wouldnt exist.

Nope, there is nothing in the game to suggest that, and if you are willing to argue that the five were in a dream state for the duration of the time they were in Ivalice than I could just as easily argue that they weren't there at all. Whether they are totally missing or merely in a coma is impossible to prove, as the game makes no indication of either. So I can manipulate that idea to fit my theory as well.

[tailz]

yes but without taht point the discusion is worthless cous that is a real important part imo

[Skyblade]

yes but without taht point the discusion is worthless cous that is a real important part imo

The fact that the point you refer to is missing entirely means that it can be interpreted any of a hundred different ways. It supports my theory as much as it does anyone else's.