A problem with the R=U theory.

[Christmas]

I think looks can be a bit deceiving to determine someone age.

[Sir Bahamut]

Not quite. But if it is meant that a sorceress grew old and caught an disease and die, then I must agree to that. But if a sorceress stay in her prime and catch a life threatening disease, it is then most likely to be a plague or something but the chances which I think is still pretty low. Considering there is still a handful a sorceress and if all them in their prime.

As I said, chances may be low, but given enough time, sorceresses WILL die. There's no escaping that.

I dun really see it this way. Those that are not hiding usually will keep their identities secret or make a big ruckus like Adel and Edea.

I dun really think they will reveal their identities to just anybody and if they happen to, what are the chances that the person that heard the news is also a sorceress.

You seem to have missed my point. I was talking about the time when sorceresses were still fairly new. Although the whole war against Hyne would probably have made people alert to sorceresses already in the beginning, it's doubtful that they would have been feared and despised as much in the beginning years. Heck, they might not even have been discovered until after quite a while.

So my point is that sorceresses may have interacted early on, BEFORE the witch hunt attitude came along, and most went into hiding. Also, a sorceress can probably tell if someone else is a sorceress anyway, so it's probably not a case of anyone having to shout out that they are a sorceress or anything.

Like what was stated before, evil sorceress might hunt good sorceress for their powers, so it made mutual trust among them questionable.

True enough, but these things happen gradually. I sort of doubt that the moment the first women/girls became sorceresses, they all ran out into the woods and mountains and hid themselves forever.

And if sorceress do get together, then the role of a knight might not play such a big role. Since sorceress themselves will be able to form a group or such to protect themselves and support each other.

As I said, I'm speculationg about the first era of sorceresses here. Obviously after some time, sorceresses either faded away from public, choosing 'knights' to support them, or went evil. But in the first era, such things may have happened.

And also, what are the chances that the sorceress that give Edea's her power might know other sorceress. Then why didn't she give her power to her sorceress' friend?

As I said, the chances may be slim, but given enough time, these things will happen. It's a basic law of nature; given enough time, every non-zero probability will occur naturally. In other words, even though sorceress may have hid themselves away and all that, every now and then a dying sorceress will find another sorceress(probably through magic, or because they knew eachother or whatever) to give her powers too.

I don't think there is some sort of black mage vilage thing, but I guess it's impossible to tell.

The main reason is that she wanted to gain every possible sorceress' power throughout history and the future. So if she is the "whole set" like mentioned, then that will defeat the purpose of time compression.

Uh, no offense, but you must have either not read that point or completely misunderstood it. Because that's essentially what I was saying, only with an added explanation which allows Ultimecia to have collected the powers of her era. Please read it through again.

Then I must admit to the fact that a sorceress can't die unless her powers is passed on.

No no no, did you not read what I said? Please, you need to slow down and read my posts carefully. I clearly said that despite that the japanese version seems to make it unambiguous, upon further analysis(on the japanese line by a japanese speaker) it seems that the essence of the line is the same as the essence of the english line.

So you don't have to admit to anything. That line does not settle anything. Rather, we must wait for the Ultimania to settle the matter.

As for the sorceresses fought in TC, I think it's plausible their powers were absorbed by Ultimecia.

[Christmas]

You seem to have missed my point. I was talking about the time when sorceresses were still fairly new. Although the whole war against Hyne would probably have made people alert to sorceresses already in the beginning, it's doubtful that they would have been feared and despised as much in the beginning years. Heck, they might not even have been discovered until after quite a while.

So my point is that sorceresses may have interacted early on, BEFORE the witch hunt attitude came along, and most went into hiding. Also, a sorceress can probably tell if someone else is a sorceress anyway, so it's probably not a case of anyone having to shout out that they are a sorceress or anything.

But they will most likely forget each other with the passing of time. And during the witch hunt, they were all probably be seperated. So it is possible that their number did reduce when they are able to interact with each other.

But if a sorceress is able to tell someone else is also a sorceress, then will it be possible that she will also sense where her friend is and when her friend is going to die then making there in time.

True enough, but these things happen gradually. I sort of doubt that the moment the first women/girls became sorceresses, they all ran out into the woods and mountains and hid themselves forever.

The first thing Rinoa think of is staying with Squall forever in space then she decided to go the the sorceress memorial to be locked up.
So it is possible but it is in Rinoa's time that is. But there is still possible that they choose not to tell anyone and keep it a secret to everyone around them.

As I said, I'm speculationg about the first era of sorceresses here. Obviously after some time, sorceresses either faded away from public, choosing 'knights' to support them, or went evil. But in the first era, such things may have happened.

Quite true here.

As I said, the chances may be slim, but given enough time, these things will happen. It's a basic law of nature; given enough time, every non-zero probability will occur naturally. In other words, even though sorceress may have hid themselves away and all that, every now and then a dying sorceress will find another sorceress(probably through magic, or because they knew eachother or whatever) to give her powers too.

Maybe. But I dun think everyone will specifically go look for another sorceress to pass their powers to. Not everyone think in a same way. Some might met an accident and desperately wanted to pass the power to someone. Or the other just wanted to pick someone they deemed fit as their successor pretty much like Adel. But since Adel is different since she had vile purposes of her own.

I don't think there is some sort of black mage vilage thing, but I guess it's impossible to tell.

Since there might be a group formed by sorceress in the earlier age, so who knows, It might be among the ruins in Centra forgotten with the passing of time. But like you said, it is impossible to tell.

Uh, no offense, but you must have either not read that point or completely misunderstood it. Because that's essentially what I was saying, only with an added explanation which allows Ultimecia to have collected the powers of her era. Please read it through again.

Ya, sorry about that.

No no no, did you not read what I said? Please, you need to slow down and read my posts carefully. I clearly said that despite that the japanese version seems to make it unambiguous, upon further analysis(on the japanese line by a japanese speaker) it seems that the essence of the line is the same as the essence of the english line.

So you don't have to admit to anything. That line does not settle anything. Rather, we must wait for the Ultimania to settle the matter.

As for the sorceresses fought in TC, I think it's plausible their powers were absorbed by Ultimecia.

So the japanese are trying to say they need to pass their power to die peacefully? Pretty much like the english version had better explaination of everything like FF VII where they added the Zack and Cloud's cutscene.

And again, sorry for not reading it thoroughly.

[Sir Bahamut]

Maybe. But I dun think everyone will specifically go look for another sorceress to pass their powers to. Not everyone think in a same way. Some might met an accident and desperately wanted to pass the power to someone.

Tha's true. But in general, a sorceress will want to give her powers to an already existing sorceress. Naturally though, that doesn't mean that everyone will.

So the japanese are trying to say they need to pass their power to die peacefully?

Well, the way it is said in japanese sort of implies that dying with her powers is not a desireable state for Ultimecia. In other words, she doesn't WANT to die with her powers. Not so much that she CAN'T. But as I said, this is still a bit loose, so the Ultimania will have the final word.

By the way, the rest of your points I haven't responded to because there's not much more to say about them.

[Mihhailovitš]

Actually Quistis is Ultimecia because they are both fat.

[G SpOtZ]

Actually Quistis is Ultimecia because they are both fat.

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