For those that can't be bothered to click a link, the headline, which says it all really, is, "Shot man not connected to bombing".
I hate being right all the damn time
so you that winter jacket was a bomb? so they shot a man for no good reason? well that was damn clever. so we did shoot a man purely based on suspicion. there was no sign of a bomb (granted by the fact there wasn't one). but he was a muslim guy running away so we shoot him.
it's unlawful homicide. and we should try the man responsible.
How could someone not guilty of something be stupid enough to run around looking as though he's carrying explosives, run from a house under surveillence (If he knew it was) and to ignore the multiple orders from the police to stop? Now, if they'd tackled him in an otherwise empty field and shot him, I'd still say they were justified. He ran into the tube. What the hell does anyone expect here?Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
I have little sympathy here. Don't act like a retard and then complain when people protect themselves.
but noone was protected. he had nothing. maybe he ran because he saw 20 barrels looking at him and he thought that that was kinda scary. maybe he was just some small time crook.
and how can you look like you are carrying explosives? wear a jacket? have a back pack? then i risk being shot on the way to work?
and so we have made a martyr. and an innocent martyr. and martyrs = bombings. oh the fun.
Right now, if I had slightly darker coloured skin, and a bunch of white guys started chasing me, police or not, I'd damn well run as well.
That's bulls**t, no harm. Why didn't he stop? Why did he run? If a completely innocent man suddenly has police shouting at him to freeze while pointing 9mm's at him he freezes, through fear and confusion if not obligation, I've seen it here & the Police aren't exactly the Northern Irish Catholic's best friends.
The full story isn't out yet so i'm reserving judgement while maintaining the police were right to do what they did, you can't take chances like that that could have potentially kill dozens. Overkill? Maybe, maybe not. I think the smug among you should reserve slapping your own backs until every detail is realised while remembering the position the Metropolitan Police and Anti-Terrorist Squad were/are in.
The latest news is this guy had close connections to people involved in the terrorist attacks. That would be enough for the authorities to lock this guy up in a maximum security prison with no explanation, for an indefinite amount of time. As has happened to dozens of other Asians already. That certainly doesn't make running the right thing to do, but it makes it a little understandable.
Well, I just saw on the news that the story is now that he actaully had no connection to either bombing. That should make things much more interesting - those scenarios of "well, what if he was innocent?" are now quite relevant, I'm afraid.
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I'm losing my patience withthe so-called " intelligence " authorities handling this.
Was he smurfing innocent or not ?
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He was Brazilian, from the state of Minas Gerais, and he had no connection with the bombing incident. The minister of exterior relations of Brazil is traveling right now to London to get this story from the British government.
Dude this happens in my neiborhood like once a month. LAst time it was a college student a bunch of police suspected him as a killer he didnt do crap and he had a bottle of champaigne in his shirt they said dont take out the weapon he said its champ *gun shots*.He died and the police chief was really ill.That's bulls**t, no harm. Why didn't he stop? Why did he run? If a completely innocent man suddenly has police shouting at him to freeze while pointing 9mm's at him he freezes, through fear and confusion if not obligation, I've seen it here & the Police aren't exactly the Northern Irish Catholic's best friends.
The full story isn't out yet so i'm reserving judgement while maintaining the police were right to do what they did, you can't take chances like that that could have potentially kill dozens. Overkill? Maybe, maybe not. I think the smug among you should reserve slapping your own backs until every detail is realised while remembering the position the Metropolitan Police and Anti-Terrorist Squad were/are in.
The point is the guy would've gotten shot anyway.When the guns are out lol they will fire and if oyu have slightly darker skin in a anglo society such as the UK and USA then you will most likely been even more suspected of something.To say thats bullis just ignoring the society you live in.
You could be right and apologise for the obscenity. I guess over here we KNOW or knew what the RUC were like & capable of so we knew not to move a muscle innocent or not, they'd shot if you did anything else. I remember walking past a British Army checkpoint & I had a Cassette Tape, I was about 18, and a soldier asked who it was on the tape & I ignored them, didn't run or anything, just ignored him thinking WTF business is it of yours, so helped me change my decision with his SA-80 Butt.
I suppose I don't know what peoples reactions would be if they are strangers to this kind of scenario and it was unfair to judge people on what I know, which when I look at it, was an under-current front line for 30+ years. Freedom & Peace can bring naievity, complacency & misunderstandings once it is questioned in a country un-used to it being threatened.
People keep mentioning 'but London had IRA' yea right. London had 0.00001% of the troubles here & when the IRA planted bombs they gave warnings as people weren't the target, the economy was (with one exception, outside London, in Brighton when they tried to kill Maggie Thatcher for revenge of her letting the Hunger Strikers die). This is new to most Londoners, WWII survivors are getting scarce, and with this war, your enemies aren't in uniform, or aren't 'the bloody Irish' or fighting spears against gunpowder or have one language, or even one skin tone, or care about civilian lives....this enemy, as long as this extreme Religious Ideology doesn't die, will always be able to replace it's 'martyr' with another willing hopeful to paradise.
While i agree with keeping Britain safe if he is on the ground there is no need to shoot 5 times into him. This reminds me of how America works with their police system, shoot first ask later. While i understand the danger, we should avoid every death as much as possible. The main thing why police do this here in USA is that dead men do not speak and they can justify anything as police cover each other. I like to see someone put out legit statistics of how many people policemen shot.
And i still dont know if the guy actually had explosives..did he?
No, no explosives, nothing to do with the bombings. Although some people are saying that since he was an electrician he probably helped make the detonators for the other bombs. Anything to satisfy that he deserved it.
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