There are studies that show that certain people will just run. No real reason why. They are innocent even if it is just a traffic violation and turn it into a chase downtown. It is just what some people do despite all logic.
There are studies that show that certain people will just run. No real reason why. They are innocent even if it is just a traffic violation and turn it into a chase downtown. It is just what some people do despite all logic.
Well .. I guess that does pan out(since so many people these days tend not to use thier minds).
Since I wans't there I can't comment if the officers actions were justified or not. If the guy appeared to be a threat... and appeared to prepare to detonate to go *boom*. Well then mr. officer was justified. We only have our perceptions to go off... if all of them say the guy is a terrorist and he is going to blow us all up if I don't shot him first.. then well it is regrettable but simply puthappens. Now if this becomes a common type incident then there would be a problem. But 1 out of how many ever arrests have been made by london officers just makes it regrettable accident.
STILL Updating the anime list. . . I didn't think I was that much of an anime freak! I don't even want to consider updating the manga list!
it was announced today that he was not shot 5 times in the head. he was shot once in the shoulder and 7 times in the head. a bit over the top? i think so.
and the great problem is. anyone can be suspected of this. it's not something that only he could have done. this could happen to any of us. and i would not like one day to be shot, cower on the ground and then have 7 further bullets emptied in my skull leaving me without a face to be in my coffin. 7 head shots is not making sure he is dead. it's done out of hatred and anger. especially to a man cowering on the ground crying for his life.
his family are rightly sueing. but i would also like to see a criminal prosecution brought forward.
Cloud, have you ever considered the point of view of the cops?
They had 10 seconds to decide between shoot/no shoot. If the guy had had a bomb, then we'd be talking about 50+ causualties and crying about how horrible it is that the cops can't protect the trains. The guy was acting suspiciously, doing thing like coming from the terrorist apartment complex (the cops were watching it after they found that this was where the terrorists came from), attempting to change his appearance, wearing a huge heavy winter coat in the middle of July, and lastly, when they warned him to stop, he ran toward the train, not away from it. Now with only seconds to decide the proper course, they chose to error on the side of protecting the train station from what they thought was a serious threat.
It turns out that they had the wrong guy, but they didn't know that at the time. Had they known that he was innocent, then they should have the book thrown at them. But as far as anyone can tell, they thought he had a bomb, and that he could detonate it unless he was dead.
That's all well and good Gnostic Yevon, but just suppose for one second that this guy had been a suicide bomber- he would have succeeded! How can anyone applaud the police knowing he got the the target successfully? They failed no matter how you look at it.
i agree with gnostic yevon. The police were doing their job, besides it wasnt their fault, they were told to kill him so they did. He was looking incredibly suspicous in the heavy clothing, he did run away when told to stop and they did bring him down without shooting him, they tackled him. They only shot him because they thought it was necesary as he was going to detonate a bomb. Besides if there had been a bomb i doubt too many people wud be complaining now. Face it, they did wht they had to do.
the problem is not in killing this man it is why this man was killed. what idiot decided he was a suicide bomber and needed his life ended? can we really trust a police service to stop this from happening.
not this is not the first time this has happened. the scottish guy that was shot outside a london pub carrying a table leg because the police were looking for an irish guy with a shotgun.
and it's the way in which he was killed. 7 bullets is like someone was taking some kind of gratification from pulling that trigger especilaly while this man cowered and cried.
It may sound brutal but numerous shots are necessary to ensure the target is killed. One bullet may miss; even a clear headshot mightn't be instantly fatal. When you're dealing with a man who's potentially going to blow himself up, along with all the innocents in the vicinity, then you can't afford to just pause and check after firing each round.
Gnostic Yevon got it right. The police need to be vigilant almost to the point of paranoia, if they're to have any hope of preventing a recurrence of past tragedies. Also, the public need to use some of their brain cells and decide what actions are and aren't appropriate when they're strolling through a station that was targetted by terrorists just one day earlier.
It is, of course, tragic that an innocent man died needlessly... but under the circumstances, the police really did not have many other options. They simply cannot afford to take a "wait-and-see" approach, to be timid and cautious. Suicide bombers are out to die anyway, so warnings and wounding usually will not stop them from carrying out their grim purpose.
It was a cowardly act, in my opinion. Do you know something about his life? He got a job in Brazil just to afford English classes, and went to London in search of a better life so he could help his family. And then, non-identified policemen give him eight shots just because he was late for work. Congratulations to the police.
the question needs to be why was he suspected? what idiot police guy decide he was a threat? if we had a good intelligence system this would have been prevented. but it seems they guessed. and were wrong. and that resulted in the death of an innocent man. and having a intelligence system that resulted in that and could do again and is not being investigated leads only to suspicion.
Hey Cloud this crap happens all the time in the states.Get use to it is all I can say.Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
cos it happens in the states i should get used to it? i think not. i do not want my country to become like that. when my country even gets close to being like that then i will leave.
on getting close to america. did we all notice what tony blair was stood in front of when he was giving a speech after the second attacks? the union jack. why is that wierd? cos it's almost never been done before and it a very american thing to do.
but my country i hope will not shrug of the death of a man as lightly as america does.
just so u know people die all the time in england by shot, knife or punch and it never makes the news. Everheard of a place called bransholme, arguably the most violent plac in the uk, have u eva been to the worst areas of manchester, bimingham or nottingham after closing time? Or even some areas of london. Gang warfare was invented in manchester and in bransholme, i live 20 miles away, the police are actually afraid to go in unless theyre in groups.
no it happens everywhere.Its called being at the wrong place at the wrong time.Heck I can goto jail if i was with some friends in a supermarket and my friend stole some crap without me ever knowing it.
I'n the states tehre are places called ghettos and projects in which they are the worse places to live in(grew up in the ghetto).
Anyway people will always die and people will always be the martyr.
BTW us americans don't just shrug the death of a man.WE say its wrong we complain and whine and we just learn to move on with life.
i spend a whole heap of my time in glasgow so yes i do know about violence thank you very much for being so patronising.
and the thing about gang crime is that it is not committed by the people meant to protect us. it's not committed by an official organisation who time after time cannot get intelligence right.
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