these were heavily armed forces coppers meaning they werent ordinary policemen they were hi authoritied armed coppers with a higher public responsibility
look they had no choice if they didn't chase him he could of blown up IF he was a bomber it was either 1 dead or 20 odd people dead
LET THE HAMMER FALL
They should have had a public execution.
Originally Posted by Gibsie
But the thing is that would have wasted time which could of lead to the trigger
LET THE HAMMER FALL
Don't get me wrong- I don't give a smurf about "illegal killing" or the rights of the dead guy... the simple fact is, if the police kill every person they encounter that they think could be a terrorist -after- they're already incapacitated, then we are NEVER going to get to the higher-ups, and it will never end.While it's one thing maintaining an open mind, it's another to flatly disregard the obvious. This may be injustice, illegal killing, but given the facts, I doubt it.
If this man was indeed a suicide bomber, strapped with explosives, the police NEEDED to completely incapacitate him. He was on a crowded train with what may have been explosives in a rucksack. If they failed to incapacitate him completely, his dying or injured body could just as well set off the trigger mechanism. He needed to be take down & hard. I believe the right thing was done & hold no blame to the officers who took him down.
Applaud the police all you like for their heroic actions, but how many more golden opportunities are we going to get to apprehend someone connected to Al-Qaeda? Should we kill every suspect we get before we get a chance to question them, in the name of safety?
i think this all may turn out that this guy was carrying nothing. and then what do we do? we just shot an innocent man out of paranoia. for running away from guys with guns.
theres no room for chances if the guy was a bomber lots of people could have went the police took no chance and took him down regardless friend or foe that should send a message to them bloody terroists
LET THE HAMMER FALL
What that they'll kill some innocent man over suspicion dude the UK is no better than the USA.
no time for chances? what you gonna tell his family. "yeah sorry we shoot your son 5 times in the head but we thought he was terrorist." well maybe i think you're a terrorist. that gives me no right to push you to the ground and instead of arresting you blow your brains out on the floor. is that fair?
oh yeah it sends a message to terrorists alright. it's the message that this country kills muslims in cold blood with excessive force. when other means are possible. it send the message that these people should be angry. it sends the message that they can join the jihad to end this in-justice and bomb another bus.
maybe one day you will be suspected and find your brains are over a trains floor. or maybe you will be in one the buses bombed in vengence for this crime illegal homocide. holding an incapcitated man down and unloading 5 bullets into him is not in defence of anyone. it is murder.
this man is now a martyr guilty or not. just pray to god we will not be trapped in a stage of venegence bombings.
Anyone got a link to the article? I though he was actually a terrorist, but now I am confused. As far as I understand it, he was probably a criminal(if not a bomber). Why would you run from police if you weren't,
wrong again
it sends out that Britain knows how to fight back but the best thing is we arent theres no point those idiots wont turn us muslim
you're taking the side of the people who don't know what it's about
what if he was a bomber? better him dead than what 20-40 people?
it may not seem right but 2 attacks in 2 weeks isn't right the coppers are pissed off from it al qaeda want Britain to die or become muslim this is just hard.
if they used eye witness reports it could have wasted time and *may have ended up in BOOM* before they found who to chase
LET THE HAMMER FALL
YOUR RIGHT! I HAVEN'T GOT A BLOODY CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON! So how about someone posts a link to a page of some known newspaper where there is an article about what has happened. You know how many cases happened during that time? Which one are we talking about.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk is being absolutely nuts and only writes about what the witnesses saw.
And yes, I would prefere offering one guy with a 5 kilo bomb in his pack, then 30 people which don't even know what's going on.
EDIT: Plus, I'm not British, but as we all know, english police doesn't carry weapons around with them. This is good and shows that the country doesn't have a need for an armed force patrolling the streets. Now policemen are also people and noone wants to take on a burden of killing someone. If they shot him, they had good reasons to do so. In a time like this, when even English constables are armed to teeth, its no good idea running away from squad of policemen.
Last edited by Discord; 07-22-2005 at 10:17 PM.
You are all missing the point really. They had this man under surveillence from a house they had been staking, a house police believed to be connected to the bombings. They followed him & in the course of going from the house to the station he had changed clothes & appearence & acted suspiciously (dubious word I know).
They tried to stop him & ran into the train. You, as an officerr have to make a decision on the spot, as it happens, right then. Personally, I'd of shot aswell. It's easier to live with a mistake that cost one life than an indecision that cost 20+.
What would have happened if they had hesitated, not shot to kill & he then pressed a button? Every thought passes through the mind of an officer/soldier in a milisecond & the decision needs to be made right then.
Ok, I think I'll post a link myself:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm
Exactly my point!
EDIT: Interview with the witness http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706913.stm
Last edited by Discord; 07-22-2005 at 10:40 PM.
If it were up to me, all bags would have been checked before boarding the bus or subway. That's better because you'll be more likely to prevent attacks and more likely to catch those responsible (preferably with his skull still intact). But actually you can't do the racial profiling that all the Right-Wingers in the USa want, because they'll just slip an explosive in grandma's handbag whilst chatting her up about her grandkids.
But since none of that was happening, I suppose they might not have had much choice.
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