Pls Spare A Minute To Read This.

[Squall of SeeD]

Future, something you fail to understand about theories about storylines is that they need more than internal consistency (which is to say, consistency among themselves). They need consistency when applied to the previously established facts of the storyline, and they cannot bring in information that is not suggested or implied by the story. They have to use what is already there to explain something else about what is already there.

When a theory has to contradict previously established facts or previously unimplied concepts in order to hold internal consistency, it is not a valid theory. It may be consistent with itself, but if it is inconsistent with the story that it is about, it is rendered invalid.


P.S. Lying to try to cover your ass doesn't make you look any more credible.

[Christmas]

I must admit this is one of the reply that deserve the gayest and lamest replies of the century award.

Again,this weren´t events we saw on the game.The game don´t really show us what happens here so this could be consistent.

All I saw is this line and...

This happened before WOTC and we can not saw it on the game.Hence it is consistent.

this line appearing all the way in the reply.

Anything that happen before this WOTC of yours is your call. You can said anything you want. Like Squall and gang is propagators.And if being rebuttled in WOTC, you said you dun see them happening so they can be true.

You just copy and paste these two lines, how convienent, huh?

So we dun see Squall peeing so it is a possible that he dun pee at all?
and we dun see how babies are born in FF 8 does that mean they possibly drop from the sky.

And I dun bother quoting any more examples and I can even write other story with this crap you said and even my Hyne/Yu Yevon = "X" theory is ten times better than this trash you wrote.

This is worst than a fanfiction and even Ultros will have done better.

And BTW you still haven't prove me wrong and you promise you will answer the long rebuttle I posted earlier on and even they are not inconsistencies or whatever crap but you said you will answer.

And I will be off for a week or so, so take your time to come up with logical explainations. But I dun really expect much from you, it will be those two lines again.

[Future Esthar]

Unknowns,in your case I don´t make promises.Nor I swear anything.The promise has nothing to do with your quest.

I understood,Squall of SeeD but I can´t realy go further than this.To show that my theories were right it would take a lifetime.This is because it´s not that I can proof a theory as per se.My theories depend on each other and their veracity depends on their relation and on game evidences.I proofed that Julia=Ulti but I can´t do the same with some other theories.They appear naturaly as a result of the relation between the proofed theories.And in the end when I saw everything as a whole I say-This makes perfect sense.The pieces of the puzzle are fitting each other and making a puzzle not contradicted by the game.To play FF8 is really like to made a puzzle.And this is so fun.
But the puzzle is not finished fortunately.I know there were things I had to research yet(and I thought many yet).But this is irrelevant.The most we reach the end of a puzzle the more easy it become and more easily we start to see the whole thing.Evidently we will only see the whole when we finish the puzzle.But we can had an innacurate idea before we finish.
I posted this theories on the forum as per se to see if you had the same sensibility to see the whole thingf.
That´s why I don´t proofed them at the same time.
I gradually put the theories and thanks to Lurker I was able to had a resume on the forums.
I was also hoping you would get it and help me to finish the game(i.e I provide and learn).I see no problem with this.
But you wrongly asked to proof my theories as per se.
However this can´t be always done on FF8.
This is not the right method to discover the hidden story behind FF8.

[Sir Bahamut]

You haven't proved a single point of your theory, Future. Your so called arguments behind Julia = Ultimecia have been repeatedly shown to be flawed and simply BAD. As for your arguments behind the rest of your theory, they simply don't exist.

So any relationship between your theories and whatever you have proven simply don't exist either. Again though, I'll ask you to provide arguments behind your theory, If you see things as fitting in based off eachother, then start by providing arguments for the core assumption you're making, and demonstrate to the rest of us why the rest of your theory fits in perfectly with that core assumption.

If you cannot do this, I will assume it is because you cannot. And please, saying it'd take too long time is a poor excuse. Please don't say you're avoiding this argument because it'd take too much time. That's tantamount to admitting defeat.

Oh, and If you think I'm stupid for not seeing the outstanding nature of your theories, then consider it a good deed to enlighten me.

[Christmas]

To show that my theories were right it would take a lifetime.
This is because it´s not that I can proof a theory as per se.My theories depend on each other and their veracity depends on their relation and on game evidences.I proofed that Julia=Ulti but I can´t do the same with some other theories.They appear naturaly as a result of the relation between the proofed theories.And in the end when I saw everything as a whole I say-This makes perfect sense.

Exactly like what I said before, isn't it?

He will said his theories can't be summarize and need to be supported by weaker theories which is needed to be support by even weaker theories which will take million of posts...blah,blah,blah...

And what is so freaking complicated that it will take a lifetime? You dun even need half of a lifetime to make the freaking game but you need a lifetime to understand the game???? Why dun you just send a letter to Square to tell them to verify it? It will certainly cut down a lot of time than a lifetime of your time pondering.

The pieces of the puzzle are fitting each other and making a puzzle not contradicted by the game.To play FF8 is really like to made a puzzle.And this is so fun.
But the puzzle is not finished fortunately.I know there were things I had to research yet(and I thought many yet).But this is irrelevant.The most we reach the end of a puzzle the more easy it become and more easily we start to see the whole thing.Evidently we will only see the whole when we finish the puzzle.But we can had an innacurate idea before we finish.

Look, it is not THE puzzle but it is YOUR puzzle. You set this little puzzle and you are now trying to finish your puzzle which in your point of view, you treated it as THE puzzle. You are the one that is trap in this little puzzle game of yours.

I posted this theories on the forum as per se to see if you had the same sensibility to see the whole thingf.
That´s why I don´t proofed them at the same time.
I gradually put the theories and thanks to Lurker I was able to had a resume on the forums.

Sorry dude. But everyone see what you are trying to tell and say but they can't see any sense it it.

I was also hoping you would get it and help me to finish the game(i.e I provide and learn).I see no problem with this.
But you wrongly asked to proof my theories as per se.
However this can´t be always done on FF8.
This is not the right method to discover the hidden story behind FF8.

You and me? Does the "me" mean ME!!????
Then your method is right?
And the hidden story is nothing more but YOUR story.

[Future Esthar]

When I said lifetime it was far from being metaphorical.
It´s not just the time,you know.
I don´t really know how to show it right.I tried many strategies on the forums.
But I know that most of them(the theories) were right.

Does it never happen to you?
To know that something is right,had found evidence for it but never been able to explain why?
It´s possible.

And Squall of Seed,I not only show that there was internal consistency on my theories but also that they were consistent with the game.

[Sir Bahamut]

*sigh*

Future, this is getting us nowhere. How about we just agree to stop discussing your theories alltogether. If you want to go around playing with this puzzle of yours, go ahead. But there is not a single person on this forum who consider your theories to be anything but complete rubbish. As such, there really isn't any point in any of us arguing about them.

So, what do you think. Stop arguing your theories forever?

[Christmas]

And whatever decisions you make, dun push the responsibility to your brother.

[Future Esthar]

Exactly,this is getting nowhere.I just hadn´t make this die because I had yet to fulfill my promise.But now I had fulfilled it and I will make this die.
Just one more thing:



Is this a vase or two persons?

To say two persons is consistent with the pictures.To say a vase also.

But did the author intended one or the other interpretations?There is no way to proof he intended one or the other or both.

But the persons who already knew this picture know it is about optical illusions so both interpretations were intended.
Obviously there is one picture that our brain recognize better so the other vanishes unnoticed.

The same goes with FF8.It has a more visible story and a hidden alternative one.

[Kakashi509]

I like your idea but it doesn't exactly work that way perhaps though there it's a part of the story line which has 2 meanings just like your picture 2 men or a vase yet theres 2 diffrent meanings

[crazybayman]

Exactly,this is getting nowhere.I just hadn´t make this die because I had yet to fulfill my promise.But now I had fulfilled it and I will make this die.
Just one more thing:



Is this a vase or two persons?

To say two persons is consistent with the pictures.To say a vase also.

But did the author intended one or the other interpretations?There is no way to proof he intended one or the other or both.

But the persons who already knew this picture know it is about optical illusions so both interpretations were intended.
Obviously there is one picture that our brain recognize better so the other vanishes unnoticed.

The same goes with FF8.It has a more visible story and a hidden alternative one.

There is a trememdous difference between this optical illusion, and Final Fantasy.

In the optical illusion, the author obviously, purposefully created this to show two things, the vase and the two heads.

Final Fantasy is not like this. Its a VIDEO GAME. Not an optical illusion, or a story with an obvious meaning and complex hidden meaning. Its A VIDEO GAME.

If you want to think otherwise, go ahead. But keep it to yourself, or at least keep it in the fanfiction forum.

[Future Esthar]

The fact that this is a Video game don´t changes nothing.

[crazybayman]

Just in your world.

[Skyblade]

I think that Future Esthar used "lifetime" because anyone he was explaining the theories to would kill either themselves or him long before he finished.

Anyway, most posts against Future Esthar are ignored or rebutted with total nonsense that has nothing to do with what we are talking about: like that optical illusion. It relates in no way to either your arguement or the game. If you want a picture that compares to that, take the one in my sig. Let's compare that picture to the game. Most people see it as a picture of Squall and Rinoa. This is the equivalent of the views of most people in the game. Your theory is the equivalent of seeing it as a picture of Raijin and Fujin. Get the difference? It's not a case where it has two possible interpretations (like that optical illusion), it's a case which has one ridiculously obvious way of looking at it and one which is just ridiculous.

Of course, I doubt even imagery that obvious will get the idea through your head, so I will try for something that will:
THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS "PROOFED"!!!
The correct word for that situation is "proven", as in: You have not proven any of your theories.
Maybe I can get you to learn something by the time we're done here.

[Future Esthar]

What part of "I will kill this thread" didn´t you hear Skyblade?

Isn´t that why I am going offtopic here?
Of course it is.

And show me proof that FF8 is not like that picture.