Pro-Nuclear or Anti?

[Madame Adequate]

It's a great thing, but bombing japan TWICE was stupid, threats or maybe even once was sufficient.

Even after both bombs, there was an attempted coup by the military commanders to overthrow the Emperor and continue the war against the Americans. Estimates of a convention invasion put casualty figures in the millions, and you can look to Okinawa to see what happens when the Americans successfully take a civilian area (130,000+ dead, largely from suicides.). Japan was training children, boys and girls, to fight the Americans with bamboo spears, to roll under tanks with explosives strapped to themselves, and so forth.

If you want to imagine an occupied Japan, think of Iraq, except with the entire population having the dedication to removing the occupiers and moreover having the direct mandate of their God, essentially.

The bombs were horrible, but they were necessary. Even after Hiroshima their failure to surrender showed the strength of their will.

And to be fair, the effects of nuclear explosions were not known to scientists at the time. When reports of radiation sickness came in, many experts believed it to be Japanese fabrication: after tests by the US soldiers were sent into the nuked zones to see how fast they could be taken. If these events had not occurred, it's possible nukes would have been brought to bear much more readily in later conflicts, when they existed in greater numbers and had higher yields.

[Kamiko]

And to be honest, the US experimented in its own country first, at Trinity. All the US knew, basically, is that the bombs blew things up. And they missed in Nagasaki. They only hit an industrial zone. The damage could have been much greater if they had been on target.

[Odaisé Gaelach]

Off topic - I remember a friend of mine telling me about when he went to Japan he met a man who was in World War II. He was in a submarine heading for an American ship. He was a suicide bomber. He was a mile away from the American ship when he received a radio call, telling him to turn back because the war was over.

Off topic again - my friend also went to Hiroshima. He told me that there is a branch office of the Osaka Bank with the silhouette of a man on the wall and steps of the building. He was sitting with an elbow on one knee and a hand on his chin, when the bomb went off only 500 yards away. He was vapourised in the explosion, but the radiation left his outline burned onto the stone wall and steps.

http://nikki.sundark.com/photos/hiro...-04/shadow.jpg
http://www.uchiyama.nl/fotogalerij/p...hiroshima8.jpg

[Freya]

Anything that offers an alternative to coal is a plus in my book.

Um what's wrong with coal. Where i live that's what our economy revols around if it's gone then the methane will be gone and my parents are out of their jobs. in fact if i go back to the top of the hill in the back pasture i can see 5 mines. I say no cause then there will be heavy lay offs for the other energy companies and i'll have no where to live because i'll have no money.

[edczxcvbnm]

Its a great thing to have. It creates more power and lasts longer than any other form of energy we have. Coal, Oil and anything like that is becoming more scarce so we need an alternative. Even more so when people are consuming more energy then before.

I would also like to take this chance to say that(from the looks of it) everyone who voted nuclear power is a bad idea is an idiot because they though we were talking about weapons which means they didn't even read the thread. If you voted against it and knew what the thread was about then you are excused....but everyone else=moron!

[lordblazer]

I'm anti because I think fossil fuels will last forever and will be the best way to go.

[nik0tine]

I'm anti because I think fossil fuels will last forever and will be the best way to go.

That was sarcasm... Right?

[edczxcvbnm]

No way man. If we create a machine that speeds time up we can just throw bones into it and wait for the rich oils to flow forth!

[lordblazer]

I'm anti because I think fossil fuels will last forever and will be the best way to go.

That was sarcasm... Right?

darn i was found out

lol but thats really what the typical american thinks just poking a little fun at it.lol OKlahoma really doesnt want a nuclear power plant but every state around it has one XD they'll be using nuclear power pretty soon.

[Madame Adequate]

No way man. If we create a machine that speeds time up we can just throw bones into it and wait for the rich oils to flow forth!

Thermodepolymerization 4tw.

[edczxcvbnm]

No way man. If we create a machine that speeds time up we can just throw bones into it and wait for the rich oils to flow forth!

Thermodepolymerization 4tw.

HOLY CRAP! I wish I knew more about it rather than the little bit that I had just read. We should so totally be doing this at full blast and then sell it to other countries! We will become invincible!

[CloudSquallandZidane]

Pro, we have the technology to make it safe. And we should start relying on that tehnology, by upgrading nukeplants, and buidling new ones. Compared to coal, and other powerplants Nuke power is really clean.

[Madame Adequate]

Pro, we have the technology to make it safe. And we should start relying on that tehnology, by upgrading nukeplants, and buidling new ones. Compared to coal, and other powerplants Nuke power is really clean.

Well, we can't make it completely safe, but we can't do that with anything. Still, I think that we have the capacity and desire to make Nuke plants of sufficient safety to be worth investing in.

Incidentally, what do others thing of so-called microgeneration? Some numbers estimate such things (Ie each household having it's own small form of power generation) would be overall cheaper than nuke power, but I'm more interested in the idea due to being self-reliant and able to continue using electrical items in the event of grid failure/disaster and so forth.

ed - I agree, TDP is a very interesting and promising area. The very reason we ever started using fossil fuels is because they are actually surprisingly compact and very useful/versatile. To be able to manufacture oil is quite a startling achievement. Incidentally, a couple of pieces of info on the thing are here and here. I can't find much about the actual equations in the process itself, however. Finally, the Changing World Tech official site. They run the only TDP plant I know to exist and operate commercially at this time, in Carthage, MO.

[Odaisé Gaelach]

What is TDP exactly? How can it create oil or energy?

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't see MILF's links.

[Dr.K]

Pro. But obviously in concordance with safety measures and controls. I hear disposal of the residue is extremely expensive and difficult, but all in all I'd say nuclear is alot better than fossil-fuel based energy sources.