As far as I know, he's a Brit, meaning he experienced at least a few of the IRA's actions, if not on his own flesh, then on the national level.Live and grow up here and you would say different.
As far as I know, he's a Brit, meaning he experienced at least a few of the IRA's actions, if not on his own flesh, then on the national level.Live and grow up here and you would say different.
When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one yourself... when gazing into the abyss, bear in mind that the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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:rolleyes2 of course he did...Originally Posted by War Angel
Nothing compared to what happened here. What the IRA done was nothing to what the British army have done here. Did you know there are still more soldiers in Northern Ireland than there is in Iraq ? Probably not but it's true.
?... Is that REALLY true? Because it sounds extremely unlikely. You mean there are several hundreds of thousands of British troops just in Northern Ireland?Did you know there are still more soldiers in Northern Ireland than there is in Iraq ? Probably not but it's true.
When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one yourself... when gazing into the abyss, bear in mind that the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Yes, it's true. They just don't walk the streets anymore.
It's not extremely unlikely at all. Northern Ireland costs Britain a lot of money, by just existing, there are more British soldiers in Northern Ireland than there is in Iraq right now.
Edit: Although now that the IRA gave thier recent statement, there should be a planned British army pull out, or at least I hope, since they no longer have an excuse to hang around.
"I'm quite sure young children, women and innocent men do not stand in anyone's path to freedom - so killing them to achieve said 'freedom' (or various other selfish goals) has a name - terrorism."
one of the greatest freedom fighters of out time also did this. mandella, praised a hero, won the nobel peace prize and all round good guy freedom fighter.
oh and one more thing and very sorry for double posting. the ira did attack civillians.
lets not forget the guildford woolwich and birmingham pub bombings, the manchester bomb, bloody friday, edbury bridge road, the wimpy in oxford street, bombs in harrods, enniskillen, victoria station, london bridge railway station, 30 st mary axe, sussex arms, bishops gate, shankill road, mortaring heathrow, South Quay DLR station, charing cross, aldwych, Jean McConville, Ross McWhirter, Robert Bradford, the 1990 northern ireland bombing campaign, Ian Gow, 8 builders in 1992 near omagh, warrignton,
You can use the edit/delete button. --foa
How many where killed by the PIRA however?
Originally the PIRA formed for quite the opposite, they protected catholics being burned out from thier homes by loyalists from 1969 onward because the police done smurf all.
But don't get me wrong, I don't agree with a lot the IRA have done, namely the CIRA and the RIRA however. The shankill road chip shop was also bomed because the upstairs room was used as a loyalists meeting room, how many catholics and republicans had thier fate decided there?
the pira killed 909 military and police and 497 civillians, 1706 in total. do not ask me where the other 24 come from.
tha shankhill bomb killed 2 children and the bomber.
Both the loyalists and British army have killed countless others aswell, no side are angels, and to place the blame on the PIRA over the years is not fair at all. Propaganda still runs strong.
Deaths on all sides in the end is bad, but it also cannot be helped. My freedom fighter is your terrorist, but anyone who says "terrorist" should at least have experienced what they blame, I can bet you haven't had another countries soldiers march through your streets from you where no age, having them hide in your garden and bust down you and your neighbours door because you are accused of helping these "terrorists". Protection of the privilaged it was.
Hope the unionists take heed of the IRA's disarming and wise up, and actually attempt for once with peace talks, they have no more excuse to ignore it, which was a smart move by the IRA and can only benefit my country as a whole.
No, your freedom-fighter is my terrorist when it targets and kills civilians. It will not be a terrorist, if all it does is target military targets. Guerilla warfare is legitimate - terrorism isn't.My freedom fighter is your terrorist
When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one yourself... when gazing into the abyss, bear in mind that the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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my point was that "The PIRA did not target civilians." was a mistake. they did, frequently.
i'm neither a fan or critic of the ira. yes they fought for some stuff and weren't just doing it cos they felt like it. but it was all done the wrong way.
the ira also had a nasty habit of punishment beatings and kneecappings.
it was a nasty vicious war which noone should take pride from.
but the unionists know also need to disarm and end their side of the war.
Let me reiterate this one more time as it is clearly not hitting home. The IRA never DELIBERATELY targeted civilians.
At times, coded messages were not passed on, bombs went off prematurely (in the case of the Shankill Bomb). Their target was commerce & military. Killing civilians was not part of the plan, namely because it is/was bad for their support.
A lot of the said 'civilians' listed were unrecognised Loyalists. It helps demonise by releasing half-truths.
However, the fact that the bombs were not intended for civilians does not make bombing the commercial heartland of Britain a viable target. The bombing campaign was something not all volunteers were comfortable with, and indeed many supporters. You need to understand bombings were an attention getter.
Yes civilians died at the hands of the IRA, civilians have died at the hands of Britain, America, Israel, France, Germany...infact open your Atlas and read off the countries from 'A'. Britain calls it 'Collateral' when they do it & 'Murder' when someone opposing them do it. Let us not forget how the IRA escilated in numbers & support. A certain Sunday in Derry when 13 unarmed people were shot dead by the British Army. Lets not try to differentiate freedom fighter to terrorist to Army by civilian deaths.
I was going to leave this alone due to the fact that obviously some people have such differing views on the subject that they'd never agree, but i must point out that
A. British troops are on British territory, my hometown has an army base of 4000, so i'm fairly used to seeing soldiers on the streets it isn't that horific.
B.The army's "excuse" to be in Ulster was not because of the IRA it was to protect catholic republicans from increasing attacks and civil disorder from Prodestant Loyalists as it were.
Note: i don't consider policemen combat targets.
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-The allways inspiring leeza
"The IRA never DELIBERATELY targeted civilians." i would like to know how placing a 3,300 lb bomb in the centre of manchester was not meant to kill any civillians? putting bombs in pubs and a wimpy?
these places were filled with civillians. or would i be right in claiming that 9-11 was an attack on commerce in the wtc rather than civillian targets?
Defeinatley a step toward resolving all of this. I am glad to see it happen personally. Good tidbit!
Bipper
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