Bipper, I appreciate how adamantly you're fighting this. In fact I'm sorely surprised you're having to do it alone, but I'm glad you're trying to persevere, so really, no hard feelings, before I make another comment.

I think the big problem here is that we as humans value human life above anything else's life. And these things are human cells. Whether or not they can be regarded as a human life is debatable. But I don't think this issue would be even half as sore if we were using something else. Yes it might be able to register pain, but it's not even conciously aware of it at that stage. It can't be. There's no thought process. Its basically the equivalent of an amoeba. And again, if we could use amoebas, we would. But we can't.

And you're right, pro-choice has nothing to do with the subject, which is one of the reasons I flat out said I agree with it instead of labeling myself. But honestly I think in this case pro-choice should be the "parents". Or genetic material donators. I hope they're aware of what their material is being used for anyway.

Honestly I think this is a religious issue as much as it is a moral one. I'm a Christian, but I really don't believe a small cluster of cells has a soul (yet?). And considering their life span, and their life expectancy, I wouldn't be inclined to believe that cluster of cells would, or could ever have a soul. On the other end of the debate: yes, I will agree with you that small cluser of cells is alive. Much like the mice/rats that are tested to benefit us as well. We NEED test subjects to advance medical science. Its just human nature to attempt to defy and/or defend/protect ourselves from our mortality and try to expand and advance as much as we can as long as we can. And thus is the sociality that we can't do our experiments on (fully developed?) humans. But seriously, if that weren't the case, and people volunteered to be tested on, who am I to argue? Again I brush another problem: the embryos never volunteered. Its hard to not be blunt while arguing against this. I respect your stance, but the embryo can't argue against its being used. It can't even comprehend, and I don't believe it has the capacity to even CARE that its being used.

Granted it makes it look like the whole hiding behind the mask thing, where it's not affecting me personally so its easier to shrug it off, but all I can say is that is not it. They're worlds away from each other in my eyes. =/