Pls Spare A Minute To Read This.

[Random_Lurker]

I noticed people just posted in Future's theories threads without knowing just what is going on and post straight ahead which result in constant conflicts and doubts because they didn't read the whole thread.

So I will made a brief summary of his theories to avoid any unneccassary arguements.

But not neccassary 100% accurate.......

An unknown villian named "X" controlled the FF VIII cast and make them ruled over Galbadia from Timber.

"X" is the responsible for every Lunar Cry.The Lunar cry is needed for Time Compression to succeed

"X" is defined by Unknowns as Hyne/Yu Yevon
Future didn't make any reveal regarding "X" so we take it as "X" is Hyne then.

Rinoa, a girl with special power sent the consious of the people to the past and let them see some unpleasants events or stuff regarding Hyne.

Our heros were a dynasty of kings ruling Centra.(........)

Laguna´s name was Vascaroon.Vascaroon,Kyros and Ward were guardians of the Centra castle at Ulti´s time.

Vascaroon fell in love for Ulti which is still Edea by that time?.

Rinoa try to find Squall at the flower field because she fell in love with him.

Hyne is afraid so he used time compression to warp every characters of different time and age to the very same time with the very same age which is the world of FF VIII also called "Well Organized Time Compression" (WOTC) by Future Esthar.

The characters don't know that they have been warped from their time each given a specific role in life arranged by Hyne and they are actually propagators in human forms.

*Propagators is those monsters that you fought when you first step*
aboard Ragnarok.

The family line of the characters goes like this:

Edea + Seifer = Rinoa
Rinoa + Squall = Quistis
Quistis + Zell = Selphie

And Selphie will marry Irvine in the future.

*Pls note that the family tree will change anytime as Future haven't*
seem to make up his mind yet....

Rinoa is adopted by Caraway and his wife Julia.
Caraway then murdered his wife Julia and send Rinoa to Winhill.
Julia survived which was captured by Deling which turned her to Edea.
Edea who is possessed by Hyne, Edea time travelled to the past and married Cid where they set up the orphanage together.

*It is told by Future that both Deling & Caraway are actually*
monsters possessed by Hyne.

Rinoa is adopted by a family in Winhill which is later killed by Esthar soldiers.
Her name is changed to Ellone and this point of time.
Ellone met Laguna and Raine.

Ellone is later send to the orphanage and Edea took care of her.
Ellone met Squall in the orphanage where they fell in love.
Edea then send Ellone to the White SeeD ship when Caraway recaptured her.
Edea masterminded everything.

Caraway used the Junction Machine Ellone he obtained from Odine and clone a fake Ellone and send her back to the White SeeD ship.

Ellone is then once again called Rinoa after Caraway locked her in a room to prevent her from using her power.

Watts and Zone which is said by Future as Ward and Laguna in disguise rescued her.

The flow from here is basically the same as the main storyline until...

Edea try to scan Squall and CO's memories in the desert prision to possess them but failed.

Edea stopped everyone from sleeping in Balamb when she took over so as to stop Ellone/Rinoa from sending the consious of the people to the past so that they won't know what happened in the orphanage.

Hyne who masterminded everything is out for a hunt for Ellone so as to seal her power.

*This part I dun really understand, is Hyne hunting for Rinoa/Ellone or*
the machine Ellone?

When Squall & Co defeated Adel, they were time travelled to the past using the Lunatic Pandora which the Galbadians masterminded.

They found Ultimecia's castle in the past which is Edea's house after being transformed.

Ultimecia is actually Edea.

Squall started to remember that he been here before when he reached the master room.

*I think the theory pretty much ended here....*

This is basically the summary of the whole theory. Feel free to correct or add on anything if you feel something isn't right.

But please don't ask me why is this and why is that. I don't know. Go post in Future's threads to ask these questions.

I posted this to help resolve conflicts and settle arguements.

PS: I won't dare to say I understand all this and I do realize there are some contradicting here and there but I guess Future Esthar will fix it.

To Future: I can't judge whether it is right or wrong but I must say I have respect for your preservance and determination to contiune upholding what you believe is actually the truth behind FF VIII. But try not to use the word "truth" unless Square recognize it.

To Unknowns: I really like the way you quote an example through your hilarious and yet logical stories which you express your opinions and comments through it. Your consistency and persistent to rebuttle Future's theory point by point really win my admiration unlike others.... Also you have been following up with Future's theories from the very begining so I reckon you should understand it better than anyone else. So feel free to correct anything that is to Future too.
Oh, BTW, I really like your stories and please don't stop writing.

To Squall of SeeD:Your post on "what is actually a theory" really enlighten me a lot, thank you.

Lastly as I said before don't bother flaming me as my name suggested.

[Sir Bahamut]

You don't have to be all humble and say things like "I can't judge whether this is truth or not". We all know this is as far from the truth as humanly possible, so let's not beat around the bushes here. You don't even need to make huge posts trying to rebuttal him point by point, because the wildly illogical nature of his thoughts are as plain as day.

The fact of the matter is that Futures theories aren't theories, they're nonsense. That's all. Uknown does have great patience, but she's not going to get anywhere, because Future is always altering his "theories" anyway.

Can't everyone simply leave Future alone? Just let him say what he wants, and perhaps this place can go back to a more normal state, instead of a forum where every other topic is filled with crap about R=U+A-->L<S-I etc. etc. etc. You know, maybe get back to discussions whioch actually have a trace of intelligence in them?

[Christmas]

You don't have to be all humble and say things like "I can't judge whether this is truth or not". We all know this is as far from the truth as humanly possible, so let's not beat around the bushes here. You don't even need to make huge posts trying to rebuttal him point by point, because the wildly illogical nature of his thoughts are as plain as day.

The fact of the matter is that Futures theories aren't theories, they're nonsense. That's all. Uknown does have great patience, but she's not going to get anywhere, because Future is always altering his "theories" anyway.

Can't everyone simply leave Future alone? Just let him say what he wants, and perhaps this place can go back to a more normal state, instead of a forum where every other topic is filled with crap about R=U+A-->L<S-I etc. etc. etc. You know, maybe get back to discussions whioch actually have a trace of intelligence in them?

Well, as the poster said:

I posted this to help resolve conflicts and settle arguements.

So I think starting another arguement here defeat the purpose.

I must said it is pretty complete summary with an exceptions of a few more points which I will try to recall and add in if there are.....

Also I am impressed that someone DID read every single of Future's theories except myself and my deepest gratitude from enjoying my story.

I certainly hope this will stop some unnecessary conflicts since we can get a brief understanding of what is going on here. Nice work.

[Sir Bahamut]

The only conflict going on here is the fact that Future refuses to back down from his "theories", and it's unlikely that he ever will, so what's the point?

[Christmas]

He still have the right to post since this is a forum and if it is really absurd,the thread will be closed at once like the last one called "the debate of..." I can't really remember....

[Sir Bahamut]

Of course has the right to post, that's not what I'm talking about. The point I'm trying to make is that Future is obviously not budging to common sense and logic. The exact same thing happened in the past, and he didn't budge then either. So far, no amount of arguments has made him budge now either, so everything points towards him not giving up EVER.

If he's not going to give up, and we can all recognise the illogical nature of his "theories", then there's no point in arguing with him. It won't do any good; in fact, it will only do bad. Continous arguing with him just causes this place to flood over with pointless ramblings, and it incites Future to keep making new threads.

Anyway, there's an overwhelming chance that he's nothing but a troll wanting attention, and by giving it to him, we'll never quell him.

[Christmas]

Running away from a plague won't doesn't mean the plague isn't there. You need to stop this plague. If you avoid this plague, sooner or later the plague will spread to where you are and eventually you will have to face it.

So far the moderators has been able to control and stop any flooding done by Future. They just closed one thread of Future since the thread is just a duplicate of other.

The attention he is getting now are all "negatives" attention and I dun think even a troll enjoy such attention.

PS: And maybe we should stop any arguements on this threads....you know, I just said it myself on my earlier posts that the poster intended this thread for reference and not an arguement nor debate........

[Sir Bahamut]

Well, I still stand by what I said, and I hope others will agree. But I won't force anyone. By all means, if you fell you must argue with Future, go ahead...

[sparkie]

I noticed people just posted in Future's theories threads without knowing just what is going on and post straight ahead which result in constant conflicts and doubts because they didn't read the whole thread.

So I will made a brief summary of his theories to avoid any unneccassary arguements.

Ok, first I must say... do you have no life???? Ok sorry, I don't either (obviously) but whatever.

Second, who out there can figure out what the heck is going on in Future's theories? They're constantly changing. I did read the whole thread so I hope you're not referring to me since I just popped up there. And I'm not trying to argue, but can you blame people for being confused? Look at the sheer amount of information! It's like keeping track of a whole different story. In fact, it is a whole different story!

I posted this to help resolve conflicts and settle arguements.

That's nice of you but I doubt it'll resolve any conflict until Future Esthar can see the light. You know, reality. The only thing I admire about him is his imagination. I would never be able to come up with all that and wish I could in some way but I would have the sense to call it fiction at least.

And no flame intended so sorry if I offended. You can throw tonberries at me if you like.

PS: And maybe we should stop any arguements on this threads....you know, I just said it myself on my earlier posts that the poster intended this thread for reference and not an arguement nor debate........

Well that's no fun.

Sir Bahamut: You are completely right and I think people should just stop responding to his theory posts. It just eggs him on. Admirable as Unknowns's attempts at disproving him are, it's like arguing with a deaf person. He basically chooses what he wants to hear, then twists things around. Still don't know why his threads haven't been moved to the fan-fiction section...

Running away from a plague won't doesn't mean the plague isn't there. You need to stop this plague. If you avoid this plague, sooner or later the plague will spread to where you are and eventually you will have to face it.

I highly doubt the threads would reach 10 pages of posts if people just ignored them. I forgot why I responded...hmm.

[Christmas]

Second, who out there can figure out what the heck is going on in Future's theories? They're constantly changing. I did read the whole thread so I hope you're not referring to me since I just popped up there. And I'm not trying to argue, but can you blame people for being confused? Look at the sheer amount of information! It's like keeping track of a whole different story. In fact, it is a whole different story!

That is why this summary thread is for since no one can figure it out and start hurling insults in his theory threads.

That's nice of you but I doubt it'll resolve any conflict until Future Esthar can see the light. You know, reality. The only thing I admire about him is his imagination. I would never be able to come up with all that and wish I could in some way but I would have the sense to call it fiction at least.

At least we were reduce the unneccassary flame/insult/questions posts in the threads and we can direct people somewhere if they don't understand.

Well that's no fun.

Why must everything that is related to Future Esthar will end up in an arguement even though this thread just summarize his theories for everyone reference and nothing related to whether his theories is right or wrong?

(I know in some aspects others might have condenmed Future but just try to be fair....)

I highly doubt the threads would reach 10 pages of posts if people just ignored them. I forgot why I responded...hmm.

Even though if the threads reaches 1000 pages, all you have to do is dun read it and problem is solved.
Whether how long the threads are, it is the accumulation of efforts put in to stop this "plague".
If we all kept slience like little school girls, we will be admiting that his theory is true which is definitely as far as I concern is far from it since we didn't attempt to rebuttle it.

Well, I still stand by what I said, and I hope others will agree. But I won't force anyone. By all means, if you fell you must argue with Future, go ahead...

Maybe others will agree with you or from what I see now, no one agree with me but it is the perservance to stop this plague and the effort put in that counts.

People like this Random_Lurker dude which his name suggest that he is just like a lurker which there is a lot hanging around here.

They know what is going on and when they see such absurd theories and no one in the forum bother or dare to rebuttle such atrocious stuff, what will think of this forum and its members?

Maybe it is a bit off topic that I said all those and I apologize if I offended anyone.

Anyway, I won't be on this forums a week or so later so maybe when I dissappeared, the "plague" will just go away?

[bipper]

Two things - My personal Guess on the X person was cid /shrug

And yes things did get preatty heated on the threads and I too appologies for being a hot head at points - Especcially to you Autumn Rain. The actuall "side" I wanted to take was the posters here. Although i still belive that any half baked theory brings merit, i just hate to see them shot down with out reason.

Unkowns, Ukows, and UKnows I never meant to insult you eaither - and i did appriceate most your posts. I really did not try to hurl any insult towards you - though i know i did toss a few. It's my late night surf, and patience and logic are often short handed at my 2 am.

Thanks for the thread - it was much needed

[Sir Bahamut]

Unknown, do you really think it is necessary to type up massive posts just to show that his theories are ridiculous? I mean, come on, did you read the summary? I still can't get over the fact that he brought up Propagators as somehow being part of everything!

It's not accepting his theories if we don't bother responding, it's simply ignoring him because he makes no sense. It's like me saying that 2+2=5, and then everyone starting to try and show how I'm wrong. No one needs to explain that if you have two bananas, then someone gives you two more, then you have 4 bananas. Anyone with a sane mind can see I'm wrong and just being stupid.

It's the same thing here. You don't need to type up huge post after huge post trying to decipher what Future is saying and highlighting contradictions, because anyone who takes him seriously is probably as impossible to argue with as Future himself, and quite frankly, I think you're underestimating peoples intelligence if you really believe you have to point out where Futures theories fail.

Of course, if he comes up with a theory which is within the grounds of reason, then of course one should point out flaws, or whatever. But nothing he has said so far HAS been within the grounds of reason.

But as I said, I won't stop you if you really enjoy it...

[Future Esthar]

Well done Random Lurker.
I must say that you organized it better than I would even do.
Just some points:

Edea + Seifer = Rinoa
Rinoa + Squall = Quistis
Quistis + Zell = Selphie

And Selphie will marry Irvine in the future.

*Pls note that the family tree will change anytime as Future haven't*
seem to make up his mind yet....

.

Yep,I can´t made up my mind.But I know for sure that they were a dinasty who ruled Centra before WOTC.That´s what really matters.

Her name is changed to Ellone and this point of time.

This is irrelevant but I think she was named Ellone since she borns and
her name was changed to Rinoa when she is recaptured.
And Julia is Rinoa´s mother.

Watts and Zone which is said by Future as Ward and Laguna in disguise rescued her.

I never said this.It was implied by Unknowns that I said.

Hyne who masterminded everything is out for a hunt for Ellone so as to seal her power.

*This part I dun really understand, is Hyne hunting for Rinoa/Ellone or*
the machine Ellone?

At the third disc?Is the machine Ellone.She was programed to jump from the boat even knowing the white seed don´t wanna to get onboard.
By the way,she is resistent to the life in the boat because she is a robot.The true Ellone is energic and would not feel well living on a boat 11 years.She hates closed environments and can not be at the same place much time.(Don´t you remember her at winhill and at Caraways house?).

By the way,you forgot to tell some things that happened before WOTC
as:
1-Our heros were a dinasty of kings ruling Centra.
2-Laguna´s name was Vascaroon.Vascaroon,Kyros and Ward were guardians of the Centra castle at Ulti´s time.
3-Vascaroon fell in love for Ulti.
Rinoa try to find Squall at the flower field because she fell in love with him.
Please if you had time edit your post with this information (and correct the others ) Random-Lurker.

[bipper]

I don't think anyone of us can really say exactly what the game authors are saying. Unless we take SquallfromSeeDs advice and go to his house and get arrested... I tripple dog dare you...

Seriously though, in hynesight (haha?) with the taboo ffVII example I do see a resemblance of possibly "hidden themes/stories/lessons" among the final Fantasy Titles. I personally enjoy looking at the story twice and seeing what little hints of a story may be in there. The story I see, is the same you see - But the experience I take, will always be different than the one you take. Thus the point of threads-to discuss.

I think Unknowns is just doing that (discussing) with a severly opositional view.(applause) Which is great. It's when i see a post that gets shot down by a unrelated retort that gets me going.

Sir Bahamut - I see exactly what you are saying about being within the grounds of reason, thats what all the rebuttling is doing. I have had to read his threads multple times to get the real idea of what was going on. I am not sure if his theories are entirely baseless. I do belive some of his graphical evidence and some minor parts that could make sence. (the four soceresses - not sure on eye genetics though ) (that is imo and my opinions are not baseless in my happy little world)

To me it seems as though Future is not presenting his Idea's 100%. He often holds back and the thread looses focus (Like x person). Sometimes i find it all makes more sence after heavy drinking. After all anyone can write but its a whole nother challenge to get your point across. I just wish to see a post titled... What is going on in my head (Complete Director's cut) by Future Esthar I personlly do give the guy credit as he is studying the game and making theories (which seems to get missunderstood for fact by some). But when things don't match, it is the responsability of others to bring him to scope, and not blast him. Anyone can look at one scene and make a theory out of it easily. Doing so may mean forgetting other details in the story, but when your diggin, all you see is dirt. Get it? So when your focused on somthing, that is what you see (thus the word focus), and sometimes it take a reminder. - although a stick of dynamite can make things interesting...

All I would like to see is people able to discuss them on the boards with out getting blasted.


Thanks all,
Bipper
Rambling drunkard

[Sir Bahamut]

But the thing is that people have been trying to "bring him to scope" ever since he first started posting theories like a year ago(or longer ago than that maybe), and he has shown absolutely no sign of coming to sanity.

Now, sure, he might come up with something which makes sense within the framework of his "theories", but that doesn't make his theories any more likely. As for him studying the game, no amount of studying the game can lead to the conclusions we see in this summary, period. It'd be like me studying history and concluding that World War II never happened.

Let's put it this way, if Futures theories are to be even considered, then I'd propose that Squall is, in fact, a toonberry. This toonberry, furthermore, was controlling everything all along. He used Ultimecia to compress time so he could reshape time into a timeline where he has a more athletic body. In game basis? Squall uses a gunblade, and Tonberries use knives, which are pretty similar to gunblades when you think about it. As for why everything in the game points against it? Simple: everything we are told in the game is a lie.

And there you are. A theory as valid as Futures, and it took me about ten seconds to cook it up.