What if Aeris was killed by Cloud but not Sephiroth?

[Skyblade]

[QUOTE=MJN SEIFER][QUOTE=Squall of SeeD]

Scene 1: Temple
Yes, he did. He knocked her on the ground and punched her several times.

He's supposed to be "Fitting" Aeris is a clear distance away from that. She even goes to the top at one point.

Scene 2: Forgotten Capital/Forgotten City (The end of Disc 1)
Sephiroth

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What ice? In any event, Dark Matter was referring to when Sephiroth attempted to force Cloud to bring the Buster Sword down on Aerith in the Ancients' City. Cloud was able to resist, but Sephiroth then simply slew her himself.

Aeris was in Ice. and cloud was using the sword to get her out. But AERIS not Sephiroth took over him to stop him do it. The teams shouts were just a reaction. that's why Cloud says "What did you make me do?" In the FMV Aries lights up and the ice just goes. But as she has no protection any more. She get's killed. - But Holy is already been cast. Cloud wasn't to know this.

Jenova Cell causes Cloud to do certain things. Like willingly give up inportant Items to his enemys. But seeing as Jenova didn't KNOW about Holy at the time. Only after Aries had died. Sephiroth Knew but ony threw the atcients. That sepiroth was NOT Jenova even though SOME of them are.

Take the crack pipe out of your mouth, wait for the LSD to wear off, breathe... Now go watch that scene again. There is no ice. Sephiroth possesses Cloud to try to make him kill Aeris. The rest of that is just a hallucination. It's the drugs talking, because it's not in the game at all.

[MJN SEIFER]

This is the game. Trust me the Jenova Cell does things like that.

[Winter Nights]

This is the game. Trust me the Jenova Cell does things like that.

What? Create ice that isn't smurfing there?

[MJN SEIFER]

JC has nothing to do with the ice. I meant Take over peoples minds but only because of what Jenova wanted to do. Jenova had no part in the scene with Cloud and the Sword.

As for the "Invisable Ice" I'll take a picture of it. (It's harder in FMV as it's fast)

[Winter Nights]

Dude, they specifically state that Cloud tried to kill her, while under the control of Jenova. What the smurf are you going on about?

[Destai]

[QUOTE=Autumn Rain][QUOTE=MJN SEIFER]

Scene 1: Temple
Yes, he did. He knocked her on the ground and punched her several times.

He's supposed to be "Fitting" Aeris is a clear distance away from that. She even goes to the top at one point.

Scene 2: Forgotten Capital/Forgotten City (The end of Disc 1)
Sephiroth

.

What ice? In any event, Dark Matter was referring to when Sephiroth attempted to force Cloud to bring the Buster Sword down on Aerith in the Ancients' City. Cloud was able to resist, but Sephiroth then simply slew her himself.

Aeris was in Ice. and cloud was using the sword to get her out. But AERIS not Sephiroth took over him to stop him do it. The teams shouts were just a reaction. that's why Cloud says "What did you make me do?" In the FMV Aries lights up and the ice just goes. But as she has no protection any more. She get's killed. - But Holy is already been cast. Cloud wasn't to know this.

Jenova Cell causes Cloud to do certain things. Like willingly give up inportant Items to his enemys. But seeing as Jenova didn't KNOW about Holy at the time. Only after Aries had died. Sephiroth Knew but ony threw the atcients. That sepiroth was NOT Jenova even though SOME of them are.

Dude... WTF? Are you kidding or just on crack? o O

Go with crack dear.

[Squall of SeeD]

JC has nothing to do with the ice. I meant Take over peoples minds but only because of what Jenova wanted to do. Jenova had no part in the scene with Cloud and the Sword.

As for the "Invisable Ice" I'll take a picture of it. (It's harder in FMV as it's fast)

Let me save you the trouble:

Before the FMV.
Another shot from before the FMV, with Cloud holding his sword over Aerith's head.
During the FMV.

Here, also, is the script from that scene:

::Cloud holds the sword over Aerith's head, his arms trembling::

Cid
"Cloud!"

Tifa
"Stop!"

::Cloud's arms stop trembling and he steps back and pulls his sword away from Aerith::

Cloud
"Ugh... what are you making me do?"

There's no smurfing ice.

[Max]

Aeris Dies?

[Winter Nights]

JC has nothing to do with the ice. I meant Take over peoples minds but only because of what Jenova wanted to do. Jenova had no part in the scene with Cloud and the Sword.

As for the "Invisable Ice" I'll take a picture of it. (It's harder in FMV as it's fast)

Let me save you the trouble:

Before the FMV.
Another shot from before the FMV, with Cloud holding his sword over Aerith's head.
During the FMV.

Here, also, is the script from that scene:

::Cloud holds the sword over Aerith's head, his arms trembling::

Cid
"Cloud!"

Tifa
"Stop!"

::Cloud's arms stop trembling and he steps back and pulls his sword away from Aerith::

Cloud
"Ugh... what are you making me do?"

There's no smurfing ice.

I think he's confusing the light shining down as his "ice".

[MJN SEIFER]

The Second picture has what LOOKS like ice to me. Although I've been wrong before, and I realize my theroy is a bit strange.


But Forget the Ice for a second, Answer these three questions


1. Why does Cloud say "What are YOU making me do?" to Aeries? And Not Sephiroth Jenova or any one else?

2. Why would YOU be in control of Cloud at the time if it wasn't something HE had "Decided to do" When the JC make cloud give up the Materia you don't control him. Because he is not in his own mind. (Which is you)

3. How come you're all alright with Future's theroys about FFVIII but not Mine On FFVII?

[Winter Nights]

1. He speaking out loud to the force inside him, namely Jenova.

2. You never tell him to attack Aerith.. He does that of his own accord.

3. VERY few people are okay with Future's theories.

[MJN SEIFER]

1. Ok I understand

2. You have to press the buttons in order to do it.

3. Ok.

[Winter Nights]

You press the button and it starts the scene, if I recall. Been a while, so I may be wrong.

[G SpOtZ]

well gee, if you don't press the buttons, NOTHING HAPPENS. which means you can't progress through the game. you basically have no choice, it's part of the story line. so relax. lol.

[Winter Nights]

Tru dat, playa. xDD