Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
there is no such thing as forefitting your human rights. under no circumstances can you lose them. they are not given by a law. they are not dictated. they are eteranal and unchanging. given to every human from birth to death.
That's your opinion. And, mostly, mine. But I'm not quite that forgiving.
Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
that is why the need rehabilitating. and actually i believe most are mentall ill and if so belong in a mental home not a jail. and without a sentence on them but treated until they are cured. they are ill not evil.
But that isn't happening, which is 90% of my point. Say there was no cure for alcoholism. Would we be like "Oh well, have fun at the bar, boozer!" No, we wouldn't. And anyone who has a mental illness that puts children in danger should be kept far, far away from children.
Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
because he seems to like the idea of mutilating, maiming and killing other human beings.
But he hasn't done anything. I mean, Kishi talks all the time about little school girls but he hasn't raped any. Is he just as bad?
Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
no he just wants to mutilate and maim people for life and kill them. that is why he is no higher. a man who seeks to do that to any other person has sunk to the lowest possible level.
He hasn't done anything. We're talking about people who not only want to do unspeakable things, but have. And not for the sake of justice, as udsuna's misguided views are focused on, but for personal pleasure. There's a big fat line between wanting to cut a child molester's balls off and having raped a little girl.
Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
then it does not deserve jail it requires treatment, rehabilitation, understanding and mercy. you cannot punish the sick.
Even when we're sick we're still responsible for our actions. An alcoholic is still responsible for killing someone while driving drunk. A mother suffering from post partum psychosis is still responsible for having murdered her children. Yes, they need treatment, but there isn't any and I don't think a fair solution in the mean time is to just let them go and hope they don't molest any children.
Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
but the condition forces the action.

the problem with letting pedophiles out of jail is they should have never been in jail. that is no way to treat/cure them. it deosn't have the right facilities to deal with these people. they should be treated as anyone else is who is a danger to themselves or others and is mentally ill.
And if they seek help before committing the crime they will recieve mental help. Like I said earlier in this post, humans are always responsible for their actions no matter what their mental condition may be. And, especially with this "illness," the criminal does make a very clear and conscious choice in their actions.
Quote Originally Posted by Optium
Dear God that is one smurfed up book.
I want to make it clear that I'm not condoning murder. Killing someone is a small step up from molesting children, but it is still a step up.
Quote Originally Posted by Optium
Also, I think I've heard the word statistics used in almost every single post recently, yet nobody's bothered to post any type of source or even quote really, except for one saying that there is treatment for sex offenders.

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I only know this information because it's part of my studies. I'll try to pick out some I think are important...
Quote Originally Posted by www.prevent-abuse-now.com
*Reported cases of child sexual abuse reached epidemic proportions, with a reported 322 percent increase from 1980 to 1990.

*The typical child sex offender molests an average of 117 children, most of who do not report the offence.

* In the adult retrosptective study, victimization was reported by 27 percent of the women and 16 percent of the men.
I wasn't able to find any specific numbers on re-committing the crimes, just that they're likely to do so. Maybe I'll look harder later. People also neglect to realize that many sex offenders (around 40%) just get probation. That's it.
Quote Originally Posted by Fithos
i must agree with cloud no.9. these people dont need to be in jail, they should be in a hospital enviroment getting cured. just because a cure does not exist dosnt mean they woulnt find one.

where do you suggest they live.
Where do you suggest they live? They've committed a crime, they've been punished, but there is no cure for their mental condition. Do you think your neighborhood is better than jail? Or that a mental facility where there still is no treatment is better than jail?
Quote Originally Posted by Fithos
did you ever think that something they take into consideration when molesting kids the second time is how people treat them. i mean if they are being accused of a crime they might as well be doing it.
There. Is. No. Excuse. For. Molesting. Children. None. Not even kinda.
Quote Originally Posted by Fithos
i dont personoly think that sex offenders think when they do that. its a subconcios act of which some of them probably have little to no controll.
Well that's just plain not true. From that link I posted ealier in this post, more than half lull their victim into a sense of at least near comfort through seduction. It's a very calculated process. I can't believe you're trying to defend such blatanly deliberate actions. There is no such thing as accidently raping a little girl.

To Graves (without making this post longer by quoting your whole post): I really, really don't think you know a thing about this topic. And I'm not saying that to be a jerk or put you down, but you don't seem to have a concept of how wide-spread this problem is. Over 1/4th of all girls in the US will be sexually abused in their lifetime, as well as a large number of boys (what was it? 1/6th or something?). The psychological effects last their entire lives and can, and often do, completely ruin their lives. Many will tell you they would rather have died. And the age of the child doesn't matter; it effects children of all ages. I really don't want to go into the effects, it's a long and depressing list, but please don't minimize the effects of possibly the most horrid thing anyone could do to a person.

And it is a pretty big problem just population-wise. Than National Sex Offender Registry reporst over 491,720 registered sex offenders living in the US. And 95% of victims know their abuser.

It's just bizzare to me how so many people in this thread seem to think child molestation isn't just the worst thing ever. xP