Convicted sex offender legally buys house next to daycare

[Shlup]

tHeRe Is No ExCuSe FoR sExUaLlY tOuChInG a ChIlD

AT ALL. None. Not even a little bitty one. Not even one that should keep an offender from being punished to the full extent of the law. Just because we may associate it with the word "illness" does not make a person who seeks out and molests a child a victim. Not on any level. And reading all these excuses and allowenes that people are making for people who are molesting children is just... it's so wrong I can't put it into words.

They may need treatment, yes, but that doesn't even kind of excuse the fact that they victimised children.

[TheAbominatrix]

It's his responsibility to seek it. It's not my responsibility to not be a supple young child. He's an adult. He knows his choices.

The last thing I'll say. My mother wanted to kill the man who molested me. That's why I didnt tell anyone, because I didnt want to see my mother in jail. Because she has this urge, if she acts on it, that's okay because it's an urge she cant control, right? udsana should be allowed to kill them if he cant control the urge. That's your logic, isnt it? Murder certainly isnt accepted either. So as long as they cant control the urge, they're fine, just a little misguided, right? Maybe Bush couldnt control the urge to invade Iraq? No matter how many lives they ruin, it's okay, because they couldnt control themselves. Those poor, poor people and their compulsions.

[udsuna]

Can I pass judgement? Hell yes, with ease, I can.

Pedophilia, the root disease, is a sexual urge. It's no more, or less, than any other sexual desire... just twisted into a direction that makes it impossible to actualize without an act of rape.

Hypothetically, say you're suddenly teleported to some bizare land where everyone is already happily married and would never cheat (or are just generally not into whichever gender you are). Or, better yet, futuristic world where no one desires sex anymore. Or even kissing/petting/etc.

They'll never, ever, EVER willingly have sex with you. Would you rape someone to satisfy your "urge"? Would you? It's the only way, aside from your own fantasies and hand, to have sexual gratification. I know I wouldn't, actually been in a situation where if I were ever going to, it would have been then, and that is how I can judge them.

That is, in truth, the world the pedophiles live in. They desire children, and for that I feel sorry for the ones who answered "no" to the question I posed. Who, like all other decent people, don't RAPE PEOPLE. But to those who say "yes", they have lost all semblances of humanity in my eyes. They are no better than any other rapist, and a thousand times worse, all at the same time.

[Optium]

It's easy to say that you will or won't do something, but when the time
comes it takes a lot more will power to actually do than to talk about
doing. You could say that you won't jerk off ever again, but that doesn't
mean that the next day you're going to feel the same way when the time
comes. Our sexual urges are the strongest we have--next to maybe self
preservation--so strong that our entire society and culture is based
around it, and to think that you're going to easily repress them is
egotistical to say the least. Even if you could go without fulfilling your
sexual desires, they'll eventually come out in some way, and it probably
won't be sexual. Having an experience where you don't give into your
desires doesn't mean you'll be able to replicate that experience when it
arrises again, and it will, and it'll be even stronger if you repressed your
urges the first time.

.opt

[udsuna]

Are you saying you'd *RAPE* someone to satisfy your sexual needs? Either you are, and this argument is pointless because as far as I'm concerned, you no longer exist. Or, you won't, and I don't see how an argument would be necessary. Either way, this line of discussion is moot. Now to backtrack a little.

And I know I could resist as long as necessary, or at least until I can die of old age. I also know that if given the choice of surrendering to that kind of urge, or death, I'd probably suicide bomb a terrorist training camp.

I read up to where you [shlup] said this and skimmed the rest:

Also, keep in mind that in the United States at least one in four females will be sexually abused

I quote this because I find 'sexually abused' and 1/4 to be severely insane. Are you sure it's not fiction, ore perhaps more accurately, a very VERY general definition?

I mean 1/4 women will say, for argument's sake, be approached and have physical contact made which was unwarranted and unwanted, would be more believable.

Rape, attempted rape, forcing a woman to give you oral or manual stimulation, blackmail/threat of death coercion into sexual activity, child molestation, or sex acts involving sticking foreign objects into them (whether or not you, yourself, are gratified sexually). I know psychology, I know these studies, and 1/4 is a *confirmed* measurement... it's probably at 1/3, when you account all the unreported acts... and it's possibly (unlikely but possible) at 1/2. Hard to believe, maybe, but true.

[Optium]

Are you saying you'd *RAPE* someone to satisfy your sexual needs? Either you are, and this argument is pointless because as far as I'm concerned, you no longer exist. Or, you won't, and I don't see how an argument would be necessary. Either way, this line of discussion is moot. Now to backtrack a little.

You, like most of the other people who've replied in this topic, are
basically exaggerating what someone else has said to further your
argument. I obviously didn't say that, I said nobody knows what they'd
do in that situation, and to think that you're "holier than thou" in that
respect is one of the most big-headed things I've heard.

.opt

[Shlup]

It's easy to say that you will or won't do something, but when the time comes it takes a lot more will power to actually do than to talk about doing.

If someone who desires to do things that will be harmful to others can't muster that will power it still is not an excuse.

[udsuna]

You, like most of the other people who've replied in this topic, are basically exaggerating what someone else has said to further your argument. I obviously didn't say that, I said nobody knows what they'd do in that situation, and to think that you're "holier than thou" in that respect is one of the most big-headed things I've heard.
.opt

Uh... didn't you catch the part, I know I've said it at least 2 or 3 times... where I pointed out that I have had the situation. I've had the opportunity, and I "passed" that test. Frankly, it wasn't even a "test"... that implies that I had difficulty in controlling myself. Not so. I never even considered it, outside of an intellectual hypothetical situation.

EDIT And even then, it was my concern for her well-being (getting wasted to the point of passing out after having invited several friends... not quite as wasted, all men, at that point... over to an otherwise empty house). I noted that any of them could violate her a dozen ways and she'd never know, then realized I could do the same, then promptly said "dude, that's just not cool" and left it at that.

And if this pig-headed individual can do it, any decent human can. And anyone who cannot, doesn't deserve to live. Like I said, I'd carry out my own sentance by my own hand, should I deserve it.


EDIT: Listen to shlup... shlup is good... shlup is wise... shlup believes that people should be beholden to their own actions, no matter what crybaby excuses they use.

EDIT (again): well, I've gotta go. I'll come back to read whatever disgusting excuse you try and provide for this time. Even though any excuse that might exist is about the same thing as trying to use a napkin to block the energy wake of a nuclear bomb.

[Optium]

You, like most of the other people who've replied in this topic, are basically exaggerating what someone else has said to further your argument. I obviously didn't say that, I said nobody knows what they'd do in that situation, and to think that you're "holier than thou" in that respect is one of the most big-headed things I've heard.
.opt

Uh... didn't you catch the part, I know I've said it at least 2 or 3 times... where I pointed out that I have had the situation. I've had the opportunity, and I "passed" that test. Frankly, it wasn't even a "test"... that implies that I had difficulty in controlling myself. Not so. I never even considered it, outside of an intellectual hypothetical situation.

Maybe you missed the part where I addressed that...in my first reply
to you.

EDIT And even then, it was my concern for her well-being (getting wasted to the point of passing out after having invited several friends... not quite as wasted, all men, at that point... over to an otherwise empty house). I noted that any of them could violate her a dozen ways and she'd never know, then realized I could do the same, then promptly said "dude, that's just not cool" and left it at that.

And if this pig-headed individual can do it, any decent human can. And anyone who cannot, doesn't deserve to live. Like I said, I'd carry out my own sentance by my own hand, should I deserve it.

That was the situation where you found that you could control your
sexual desires? Sorry man, but that's not much of an accomplishment,
I'm sure almost every guy here who's been to a party has been in that
situation and most have probably gotten over it. I've been in it numerous
times at a girl's house who I really had a thing for, but since I was more
sober than most of the other people there--only high, not drunk--it
turned out that I'd always end up looking out for her so that other guys
who couldn't control their urges (or worse, the ones who were at the
party for the sole purpose of finding a girl who was in that position)
wouldn't take advantage of her.

Congratulations though, you're mediocre.

EDIT: Listen to shlup... shlup is good... shlup is wise... shlup believes that people should be beholden to their own actions, no matter what crybaby excuses they use.

EDIT (again): well, I've gotta go. I'll come back to read whatever disgusting excuse you try and provide for this time. Even though any excuse that might exist is about the same thing as trying to use a napkin to block the energy wake of a nuclear bomb.

See, the problem here is that a lot of people are still saying that others
are making excuses when that's not the case. An excuse would be
forgiving their actions due to circumstances, but that's not really the
case. I don't forgive or condone their actions. The problem is, you're all
acting as if it's the worst thing that could ever happen, when in fact
it's not. If you're going to say it is, then you're obviously mistaken since
all you need to do is look at the punishment for different crimes and
you'll see that there are worse things, according to society as a whole.
Some have said that it's worse than murder and that dealing with the
consequences of it are worse than being dead, but the question that
remains is why doesn't everyone who's been through it kill themselves?
Is it possible that dealing with the consequences of it aren't in fact
worse than death? Seems to me that's the only real reason.

.opt

[bipper]

See, the problem here is that a lot of people are still saying that others
are making excuses when that's not the case. An excuse would be
forgiving their actions due to circumstances, but that's not really the
case. I don't forgive or condone their actions.

amen
complutions are reasons - not excuses. I will not excuse a molester EVER. I do feel that to banish them from society forever is inhumain. Repeat offenders amd those found sick, whould be hospitalized no doubt.

But if you can Find a reason for an action - say the sight of blood causes you to get sexual urges - then you can possibly begin succesfully cure the victum of a sickness. But to lock the individual away - and condem him; That reflects worse on us as a society.

Kill your enemies with kindness so that you might call them friend. Although - I must admit it would be hard to call a chomo friend, to cure him of his state (thus killing the enemy) would be better than killing the man.

Religous View: Some say that the demons of the Biblical contex are these same urges. It is a veiw that does make some sence. So with these beliefs would the blame be put onto demonic ties? Dunno - just a point for some of the religiously cautious to ponder
bipper

[eestlinc]

let's try to avoid taking this argument to a personal level.

[Shlup]

So what are you saying, Optium? All I see is reasons why we should pity child molesters as victims of themselves, in spite of the fact that it takes a lot of thought and effort to get into a situation where you're sexually abusing someone; that people who say sexual abuse is worse than death, including Ashley, are lying because otherwise they would've killed themselves; that, contrary to what probably anyone touched by this crime will tell you that stealing the innocence of a child is worse than killing someone.

The punishment isn't harsher because those who enforce the laws are like you. They don't understand. They have no comprehension of what it takes for someone to molest a child, and no comprehension of what damage it does. You're trusting some general notions and a societal ignorance rather than those who know what damage it does, knows the mind of a child molester, and even those who have experienced it. You're pretty plainly saying "Those who are ignorant to this issue understand it better than those who are very aware of it and those who have been a victim of it."

[Fithos]

perhaps because others belive your views are clouded by anger.

[Shlup]

I think it's more likely that yours are clouded by ignorance. I'm not angry; I'm not looking as much from the perspective of a victim as from a psychologist. I can see from the perspective of the molester as well as the victim, and I understand this topic, from what I see, far better than those who are (no matter what you may be calling them) making excuses for those who ruin the lives of children.

[eestlinc]

nobody's making excuses here. nobody is supporting child molesters. nobody thinks it's ok. And from now on, nobody's going to insult anyone else in this thread just because they disagree on how to best handle the problem.