Yeah once madden 04 came out it went the direction the previous madden games on the super nintendo went. Hard to do anything without getting sacked. I mean it sucked in a big way and I heard the one that is out now sucks. But then when i goto a HBCU and these guys start playing it and they say that I suck because i cant playt his game it pisses me off adn i wanna ;lesajfklsdjfndskfhdsifsd