Yeh, spose that would work, but then you would still have some rich ass in charge of it allOriginally Posted by goyabean
Yeh, spose that would work, but then you would still have some rich ass in charge of it all
I still have no sympathy. Clearly, the man that renders the better service should get paid the best. I worked at Taco Bell for two years, and when I did I never cried because I didn't make a teaching salary. I was wrapping cheap tacos; a teacher is, well, teaching. I don't care that I will never make the same as a surgeon. The surgeon does have an advantage over me. I don't mind - I'm free to go as high as my mind can take me.
Why should it be everyone else's fault? It's no one's fault. That kid can go to charitable programs and receive help there. He shouldn't enslave the people to pay it all off for him.Who would feed an clothe a person with down syndrome for their entire life. if you say his parents than they are unfairly disadvantaged, its not their fault that they had a disabled child, how could they have worked harder? If its not the governments responsibilty whos is it? Im not bitching because he isnt allowed to be an engineer, im 'bitching' because the engineer recieves unfair advantages.
Pretty much, most Americans agree.I am an Australian you foo. And i think Iraq sucks.
If all education was private, that means that everyone should be able to afford it. It's like food - you pay money for food, but if you can't afford the brand-names, you go off-brand. In such a society, any man can eventually reach the top. If you're born dirt-poor, you go to school and get a little better, and make a little money. If you go to a poorer school, hate the world, and do badly, then don't expect me to feel bad for you. You have equal opportunity: we aren't supporting you.-public education so that those from 'lazy and therefore poor parents' are not disadvantaged
-Public health so that those with health problems beyound their control are not disadvantaged
-Law and order to maintain basic human rights and a functional society abd to prevent swindle, slander ect
-International relations such as trade agreements, tarrifs, world politics, and defense (note- defense, not military)
-Services and utilities such as roads, publilc open space, electricity, water ect
-some nother things that ive forgotten for the moment
Public health sounds great, but it's inefficent and technically unethical because it makes everyone around me pay for my health care. It is great for the dirt poor, but lowers the chances of everyone else. No, thanks.
Law and order are the proper form of government - agreed. Included in that is international relations, but like the government - the less the better. And, I noted the note - concurred.
Certian services I am technically against, but I'm not making a big deal of it until some of the worse evils are corrected. When random military spending for a constant half-war ends, and when public education becomes privatized, etc. - then I'll fight the water system.
Yeah. Helped form my opinions on political stuff. Great book - but I like 1984 more.(you like animal farm, you know its about communism?)
You have to understand that that is one of the main reasons I am against communism. I know that the idea that everyone is the same appeals to you, but I think any system that subjects you to the group is evil. Period. The individual is sanctified in a free society.
While I am all for capitalism, a lot of the things brought against it I completely agree with it. Capitalism can only work with a free society that recognizes the individual as supreme. Nothing else. That's why I tend to like America more than everywhere.
Another problem with those that hate capitalism - just because America has the most capitalistic economic system doesn't mean that every evil that comes from America is a product of it. Yes, the war sucks. Yes, most of America (except the creepy conservatives) hates the war. That isn't a product of freedom, I assure you. It is the product of a crazy president, a Congress that lacks integrity, a bunch of patriotic nonsense and that's about all.
Instead of pulling a you-know-who ("Capitalism invented acne!") please recognize that freedom doesn't create arbitrary problems. Yeah, the working conditions sucked in the nineteenth century. Establish a brutal socialist regime and tell me they would have improved dramatically.
Give me the economic freedoms that the conservatives love, give me the social freedoms that the liberals love, and you got what I think our country should be all about - freedom.
I think the sole problem there would be that qualifications from different establishments would carry different weights. Unfortautely, there's nothing to stop someone very competent or with a lot of potential being rejected in favor of someone less able but who went to a more renowned college. However, that is as much a problem today as it would be under any other system, it's just that the 'off-brand' colleges would likely be viewed as significantly less competent compared to the 'standard' ones.
FixedGive me the economic freedoms that the conservatives love, give me the social freedoms that the liberals love, and you got what I think our planet and species should be all about - freedom.
Well... let's put things in context. If a family is truly poor and can barely afford food, I don't think education is going to be a priority. In fact, history shows me the contrary, education isn't going to be a priority at all. In France, in the late 19th century, kids had little education because once they hit the age to work, they were sent to work, because that brought back money to the family, whereas a kid in school was a financial deadweight. Most students who decide to go to college know how heavy the financial burden is (even in public colleges, for that matter). Now, should 8 year old kids go through the same?
You also compare schools to brands, so if you're poor, you can only go with the cheap ones, most likely of lesser quality, which means you get a lesser diploma, which means you get screened when about to enter good schools later on. I'll take the example of France, where, even though we all take the exact same exam after the last year of lycée, the opportunities after are heavily influenced by where you were taught, and at comparable results, you will go first compared to someone who was in a less reputable school.
Last, schools are expensive things. I was lucky enough that my parents could afford to put me in a private school, and I know that the school has some fun times making ends meet some times, even though the cost for the parents is far from negligible, and the fact that the school isn't trying to make profits (it's part of a catholic order). A huge part of the kids there had parents that were upper-middle class or higher.
Of course, all that is about early education (primary school, high-school to a certain extent), because, if at that point the kid can't get education (because the parents are poor, because they're uncaring/unwilling to teach or don't have the ability to do it (ex: crazy, uneducated...)), then you can't learn to read, write or reckon (the "three Rs") and then you are stuck at the bottom of the social ladder. These are necessary to have an equal chance later to prove your worth in higher school.
Personally, having been through both (private until I was 18, public after that), I'm pretty satisfied with the current situation (in France, mind you).
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I understand the concerns, and I admit that education is one of the few aspects of libertarian policy where I think it still needs to be worked out. However, I think that a lot of the problems, like MILF said, is more a product of any system. Privitazation doesn't fix them, but it doesn't cause them, either.
Like I said, though, first I'll go for the bigger, more-obviously solved issues.
I don't claim it's perfect either. From what my wife is telling me about the US public system (and as far as I know, she knows more than me on that oen since, well, she comes from there), the problem isn't so much that it's public, it's the teacher unions (which is then about unions, which I admit is a tough issue and quite often causes more problems than good). In France, they also sometimes have knee-jerk reactions to needed reforms, but it doesn't sound as bad as in the US.
And then there is Death
"What if I don't want the services?" it does exactly whatis says on the tin. the national insurance act offered insurance and cover from the cradle to the grave. you may not want them now. but you will need sick cover, your wife will need maternity pay, injury pay, nhs care, funeral support etc.
it works in the same way as an insurance. yes it's forced but that is in order to prevent all the bad stuff thwt would happen without it. the government stepped in to prevent folk going hungry when sick or injured. not being able to get education or dying from stupid diseases because they couldn't afford a doctor's appointment. the government also forces car insurance. but noone whines about that.
Insurance companies lobby the gov't to make car insurance mandatory. Few complain because few are opposed to it. And since this is a *gasp* democracy car insurance remains mandatory.
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and i don't think many people in britian complain too much about cheap dentistry, prescriptions, eye care, and free health care.
Supply and demand. Lets face it. Their's less skilled workers than there are unskilled workers and janitor work is unskilled.Soul Sonic Force!!!
The reason an engineer gets paid more than a janitor is not entirely because of what they know. There are simply more people fluent in the custodial arts. You have to pay engineers more to recruit and retain them. Kinda like supply and demand.
cloud we agree with oyu ont eh benefits but man if they were to do this crap in america. Man this country would be i n a world of crap lol.
anyway the Kush civilization were one of the first businessmen. They traded with Asia and resided in Ethiopia and southward.
why would it be a world of crap?
and the thing about the janitors. janitors are pretty damn essential. like most jobs. and as useful members of society rather than just being dole scum they should be respected as much as the next man.
for the country is due to the fact of the american mindset cloud.
lol our culture is just completely different.
If we were to make health care free and effective and pay doctors a lower amount. Then you get more malpractice.
Which happens to people without insurance today because people without insurance doesnt have an insurance company that can make that doctor richer than he is now.
but dentistry.. Thats affordable here in the states. I mean we are the ones with the nice teeth and the brits are the ones with the messed up teeth(there are a lot of people who really think that. though its untrue and a big generalization.)
Just because they get paid less than engineers doesn't make them dole scum. Nor are they treated as such in the US.
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that was my point.
This drives me MAD, In chatrooms people take this as some kind of fact, insisiting we have rotten crocked teeth, We really don't. our teeth are the same as any nations (not including the third world without dentistry)
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