So in other words..none O_o
So in other words..none O_o
Originally Posted by lionx
Pretty much :P
If you think about it all the civs mentioned have had some really really bad times and faults. Even at thier peaks.
If the US has already reached its peak.. we aren't ever going to be greatest. If our peak is on the horizon.. perhaps the potential will ride us through and we could rise up to the challenge that it is to be great.
However, that is just a hope. Any current country that is doing well and expanding.. blah... blah.. could ride out the potential. The US just has more(in my opinion) then others at this time. That does not mean we are there yet.. just that we could possibly have the possiblity to make it there.
And even then our history may come back to bite us, if it is an overall judgement.
STILL Updating the anime list. . . I didn't think I was that much of an anime freak! I don't even want to consider updating the manga list!
Great will be great to different people.
Creating one perfect haven is a pipedream that i belive will never be realized. As you can tell by reading these very forums, ideas on how things are ran will always be different.
Some people may want a strict caste type system which puts them in power over others, while some will strive for equality. Some people will want more care from thier government, while some would like less gov't involvment.
government is man made, and for that, it will always be inperfect.
By this I simply mean that a perfect civilization would please 100% of the people, but I don't see that ever happening.
As this thread is for the greatest civilization, I would say that Elementry School has my voteWe were all almost equel unless you smelled funny or ate weird things. Some of us even got away with mullets and cats cratches (*raises hand*)
Bipper
Last edited by bipper; 08-18-2005 at 07:26 PM.
Exactly, which is why I have to believe that the less government, the better.
America, having the most individual freedoms, is therefore the best civilization the world has seen thus far.
Hachifusa.. I still ain't sure of that. It is one of the "greats'. But meh... we have our pitfalls. and many of them. I am sure we have been matched when it comes to number of pitfalls.
We may be "best" in individual freedoms.. but that isn't all that a civ is(though it may be the most important. depends on how you view it).
Might be true.. cept a freind, Rob, ate weird things but was equal.. We liked him.. afterall who else could you catch eating AND LIKING the teacher's Hamsters' food. or their notebooks(this was 5th-6th grade btw).
STILL Updating the anime list. . . I didn't think I was that much of an anime freak! I don't even want to consider updating the manga list!
"America, having the most individual freedoms, is therefore the best civilization the world has seen thus far."
but to what cost? the death of a child every 3 seconds is the price you pay for capatalism and you "freedom".
if america can be regarded as a civilisation then i would say that vietnam of the 60's and 70's was the greatest civilisation ever. stood up against the world's greatest super power (and japan and france) and gave them a right good hiding no matter what the cost. would not be bullied by america and instead fought against the US army and won. then went and ended the rule of the kymer rouge. no country has achieved a feat like that.
Last edited by Cloud No.9; 08-18-2005 at 08:07 PM.
Oh, Cloud. Again we have to go through your incorrect apprasial of history.
- You support Vietnam, not on its fundamental basis (hint: it's people were in a communist regime) but because of the fact that it "stood up" to America. This isn't too different from the ad hominem idea (Speaker is immoral, therefore his argument is immoral). However, now it becomes this: America is arbitrarily evil, therefore any other country (even a country with less respect for human rights) is therefore good because it stood up to it. That's like claiming that Nazi Germany was good because it fought the USSR.
- America didn't fight North Vietnam. South Vietnam did. We were their allies, and we were fighting - get this - FOR HUMAN RIGHTS. Yeah, we pulled out in '73, because we realized that that war was beyond lame. The war itself didn't end until '75.
And, by the way, a country has achieved a feat as great as what Vietnam has achieved: Hitler managed to murder 11 million, bring Europe to its knees, and destroy the concept of freedom. You know what "Nazi" stands for? National Socialism.
So, taking your advice, it's a toss up. Either Nazi Germany or Vietnam. They are clearly the pinnacles of human civilization. (btw down with the u.s. lol)
i do support vietnam on it's communism.
but they stood up to the world's second greatest power. that is an amazing feat for any country especially of that one size. and vietnam was in the right. america had no right to be in that war. and to defeat it was the only right thing to do. it was a crime to invade. and it was justice to give the US army what it deserved for that. and for a country of that size and of that limited power to be showing america it's place in the world is why it deserves my respect.
america wasn't fighting for human rights. it was fighting communism for the sake of fighting communism.
and national socialism is not socialism or communism. it as right wing facism.
Uh, we were fighting against communism because its a slap in the face of human rights. Most western civilizations, including your own, recognize that.
no the way in which communism has been ran broke human rights. communism itself can have no impact upon them and can in fact strenghten them.
How?
it makes all men equal. it gives no man any difference of power over another and so equality in rights is easier to enforce.
Do you support, then, Kim Jong Il's recent guidelines on a proper socialist haircut? It equalizes the playing field and makes all men equal by having the same hair.
I actually support (China yes) what i believe in because there are reasons for it. I do not support USA for butting in and i do not believe that individual human rights as the most important thing for every nation. Some nations like the US, can afford and be fine with it, and its great. But for other countries who are weaker and has more people pressuring them, individualism will cripple the country and will not help them achieve their goals. Similiar things happened during the Great Depression also is happening to countries trying to get back on their feet and i do not feel individual rights are good for that country until their country is stronger. Thats my opinion feel free to disagree with it if you want.
One thing i just know, we all have different views, and thats fine.
EDIT: About the hair thing, i would say its to strengthen their army and promote them to work as a team. I do in fact support that for the betterment of their army and people, becuase they are not as strong as the US and need that unification.
hachifusa there is difference between equal rights and absolute cloned equality.
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