Greatest Civilisation ever?

[Wuggly Blight]

its not in any dictionary I checked, and a link to a site, OHHHH sue me.

[Teek]

its not in any dictionary I checked, and a link to a site, OHHHH sue me.

Nah. That would be unethical. You're entitled to your own opinion. I just think you're mistaking actual rational conviction with mindless patriotism, and trying to turn the argument against me by implying that I would love America no matter what. That would piss off everyone (including most Americans). Believe it or not, people can like American ideals without being a nationalist.

And the dictionary I checked had it. *shrug*

[Wuggly Blight]

the last 5 I checked didnt, go figure.

[Teek]

Indeed. I've also read it in publications, so I've been under the impression it's a real word. "More free" does sound a bit cleaner, doesn't it?

[Wuggly Blight]

yes. yes it does.

[Teek]

But, indeed, there are a lot of instances like that. Why, did you know that freer could also be a noun? It's not used very often, and I suppose that is because "liberator" does sound better. That crazy English language.

[bipper]

I thought I covered this:

No manmade society will ever be the greatest. Values are different - some value fredom - some value government support.

The greatest civilization is EARTH because it has multiple nations that are run differentley. When peoplce can huddle in thier small societies and live thier days the way they want, then i belive the world will be perfect.


I only belive that the lesser governments are governments that are not FOR THE PEOPLE.

This preatty agreeable?

Bipper

[Wuggly Blight]

I think people just started using it and it must of been of been seen as a acceptable word to use. Although it would just be convient if they actually did say if it was Queens English or American English.

[jrgen]

One person's right to live is another person's lack of the right to kill the person in question. The existence of rights makes the existence of some other rights impossible. All laws cause a decrease in civil rights and the only way to achieve freedom is to remove all laws and rights.

[Teek]

I wouldn't say that's true. I'm talking about political freedom, which is essentially an action not being forced. I would not say it is society that is taking away my "right to kill". It's the inalienable right of another man's life that I am hampering. I never had a right to infringe on another's rights (in this case, anti-muder laws aren't infringing on any right of murder, since that isn't a right: indeed, it's an "anti-right"). In that case, the government can have laws without infringing on my rights.

I think people just started using it and it must of been of been seen as a acceptable word to use. Although it would just be convient if they actually did say if it was Queens English or American English.

That's entirely possible. But I've read it in publications, and seen it in dictionaries, so I assume it's rather correct, at least, correct enough in social context.

[Wuggly Blight]

Agreed, basic things like The law against murder is not a violition, its rather the opposit, it gives the right to not be killed, same as theft.

[bipper]

Freedom is like everything else; merley relative. If you live in a country where the government wipes your butt when you get off the loo, then it buys your mind some freedom as you have one less thing to worry about. However if you live in a contry with no laws your free to do anything - including die.

There are ups and downs - just like there used to be 50 states... rhetorically

Bipper

[Teek]

Just to throw it in there. Wanted to say that I read the article. I think that it is a bit too biased (I would not go to the point that the Statue of Liberty is now a "facade") but that foreigners should note the certain irony that a man like our current president has been "called to defend freedom" has also helped bring about the USA Patriot Act, which is a slap in the face at civil liberties. I wouldn't quite say that "the amount of self loving literature in American culture" is any sort of indication that America's population "feel bad about their country", because I rather like America. (Besides, talk about a stretch). However, we have our faults, and I don't think anyone is contesting that. Except for, maybe, the conservatives.

The article still annoys me, however, because I feel the same exact thing towards the author that the author does to America: I don't feel like s/he has exactly recognized the actual freedoms America has. We're on a downward spiral at the moment (perhaps forever) but we do currently have more freedoms than other country, so I stay here until the USA Socialist Act or the USA Fascist Act comes into play.

[Wuggly Blight]

History has told us before, A nation can become large and great, create many wonders, some of the ancient nations had under floor heating, some even had plumbing but for all there advancements and power they have all fallen, the Roman Empire crossed the globe, the Old Eyption Kingdom was one of the most powerful nations of its day, the Greeks developed into one of the most civil of the day, even as recent as the British empire, as they say what goes up most come down.

[bipper]

We can't be doing so bad-- we havn't completley blown up this rock yet. I would look at us as being a global civilization now-- only not so civilized from what i gather...
Bipper