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    You know i might seem like an ass for saying this but right to thought might be able to be taken away by torture and stuff....>_>; *shudder* thats freaky.

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    It's obvious that certain "rights" hold more sway than others...
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    China for longevity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus Inter Pares
    It's obvious that certain "rights" hold more sway than others...
    And this is where the subjectivity enters, making it impossible to scientifically prove which country is the most free. Before someone grants you the right to do something, whatever action you are performing is just something you do, not something you have the right to do. And "the right to live" is apparently not something the USA believe in as there are death penalties in this country. Removing death penalty would grant people the right to live, but it would infringe on the state's right to kill people.

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    There is no such thing as "states' rights".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus Inter Pares
    It's obvious that certain "rights" hold more sway than others...
    There are no valid rights outside of individual rights.

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    That's essentially what I was saying.

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    I know that.

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    Wanted to make sure everyone did.

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    It depends on your culture, individualist cultures value the individual person and holds there rights important, while collectivist cultures value the group instead of the lone person and the actions taken are for the good of the group, the group taking priority, nether culture is incorrect but they each hold different values.

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    Individualist cultures hold a tangible essence as valuable - life, individual life. Collectivists hold a non-entity - an intangible, subjective, vague reference as valuable: the "whole," which, following that logic, justifies any and all persecution of the individual. It's nonsense by any standard which values life.

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    There is no such thing as "states' rights".
    Eh? States have rights... how do they not have rights? Tha have the right to hold thier own voting procedures and right to property taxes as such... Am i just looking at the statemnet too broadly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bipper
    There is no such thing as "states' rights".
    Eh? States have rights... how do they not have rights? Tha have the right to hold thier own voting procedures and right to property taxes as such... Am i just looking at the statemnet too broadly?

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    He meant 'states' in the sense of governmental entities as a whole, not in the American sense of states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
    He meant 'states' in the sense of governmental entities as a whole, not in the American sense of states.
    Yes I did, and I still believe they have rights, granted by themselves.

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    Gotchya milf - thanks for clearin that one up guys

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