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    What do you mean by exploitation?

    Last I checked, capitalism is the ideal that everyone is equal and has equal opportunity.

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    America's idea of equality is one of opportunity - nobody is denied happiness based on something they can't control, like sex or race. Cloud, it seems that your idea of equality is one of conformity - that everyone should be taken to the lowest common denominator. I'd highly suggest you read Kurt Vonnegut's short story, "Harrison Bergeron."
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    well laissez-faire capatlism mean no more min wage and so you are free to exploit the poorest in society. you can then put them in dangerous working conditions without any problem, you can produce very cheap but very bad food to the poorest too. and that is the problem we had in britain overa hundred years ago.

    people workied down the pit and in the factories because they had no other choice. same with slum housing, deadly food and no sanitation.

    it was an exploitation of the lower classes and was actively supported as government policy at the time as it has seen as good for the economy and so good for the people.

    total wealth of a country is not important. it is how that wealth is distruted. look at the poorest in this world. 3 billion surviving on a dollar a day. we are a very rich world. but that richness is contained to us and lets the others starve.

    there is a big difference from equality and conformiy. we can be different but equal.

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    How do you propose that while advocating slavery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    well laissez-faire capatlism mean no more min wage and so you are free to exploit the poorest in society. you can then put them in dangerous working conditions without any problem, you can produce very cheap but very bad food to the poorest too. and that is the problem we had in britain overa hundred years ago.

    people workied down the pit and in the factories because they had no other choice. same with slum housing, deadly food and no sanitation.

    it was an exploitation of the lower classes and was actively supported as government policy at the time as it has seen as good for the economy and so good for the people.

    total wealth of a country is not important. it is how that wealth is distruted. look at the poorest in this world. 3 billion surviving on a dollar a day. we are a very rich world. but that richness is contained to us and lets the others starve.

    there is a big difference from equality and conformiy. we can be different but equal.
    Heres the thing though.

    One extreme cannot solve the problem of another extreme. You get what I'm saying. first of all before oyu talk trash about america. STudy US history. Then come back and start bashing. . I mean think aobut it The US is the only democracy were change just happens so slowly. Also the only country with a contitution that supports business as artificial humans.

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    i don't advocate slavery. i advocate the removal of the super rich. i advocate the removal of systems which keep africa starving. i advocate "socialist" policies which still allow freedom to earn and create.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    i advocate the removal of the super rich.
    What did they do to you? How do you propose to remove them - without force?
    i advocate the removal of systems which keep africa starving.
    Turn away from America - blame Africa for that.
    i advocate "socialist" policies which still allow freedom to earn and create.
    Freedom is to capitalism what equality is to socialism. You can't find socialist policies that promote freedom. It's a contradiction; they don't exist.

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    the one freedom that socialism prevents is greed.

    you ncaj just tax the super rich heavily and with PAYE you don't need to use force.

    why should i blame africa for illegitmate debt, subisides, tarrifs and lack of aid in emergencies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    the one freedom that socialism prevents is greed.

    you ncaj just tax the super rich heavily and with PAYE you don't need to use force.

    why should i blame africa for illegitmate debt, subisides, tarrifs and lack of aid in emergencies?
    Heres the problem with socialism...YOU CANNOT BETTER YOURSELF. If the country does bad theny ou feel it. In a capitalistic society. If the country goes bad its the people who didn't do what they had to do to save up in order to have enough to survive. Meaning those who did what they could will live better than those who didn't even work hard to earn more money.

    Greed is a concept of a western society. Look at Japan... Greed doesn't go that far in there companies. Now look at America. A western society. Greed is rampant because it uses western values more than teh japaneese do.



    wanting more than what you have right now isn't greed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    the one freedom that socialism prevents is greed.
    Including individuality, individual property rights, and individual choice... I see a trend.
    you ncaj just tax the super rich heavily and with PAYE you don't need to use force.
    That's their money. Do you propose the government should pull out a gun and rip it from their hands? Yeah, no force my ass.
    why should i blame africa for illegitmate debt, subisides, tarrifs and lack of aid in emergencies?
    OK, first three are products of a statist, socialist government, and you can rightly blame all foreign countries of that - it's not right to force them to give money that we haven't earned. Much the same way we can't force our own citizens to give to some theiving poor.

    Blame Africa for their lack of desire to help themselves.


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    africa can't help itself under the current situation. it just cannot compete with the amount of tarriffs, debt and subsidies.

    "Do you propose the government should pull out a gun and rip it from their hands?" no it's taken before it enters their bank account.

    you can better yourself in a socialist society. take europe and my country. i can become rich, i can build my own business from the gound up like alan sugar or richard branson. or i cane sit on my ass like dole scum. there is choice and freedom in a socialist world.

    greed is not a concept of western society it is it's product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    "Do you propose the government should pull out a gun and rip it from their hands?" no it's taken before it enters their bank account.
    I hope your kidding.

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    that's how PAYE works.

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    You recognize that I was being symbolic, and that it doesn't matter when you take the money, it's that you're taking it - that's what makes it wrong?

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    tis the price you pay for services. think of it like pop corn. you buty a large pop corn. you can if you want eat the all pop corn. but you can leave some. but at the end of it you paid for the pop corn eaten or not. no refunds on half eaten pop corn. if the cinema was giving out pop corn at the start of the film it would be the same (the price would be hidden in the ticket price). *i had a conclusion to write hear but my mind went blank*

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