Unless you're an evil clownOriginally Posted by Rusty
Unless you're an evil clown
Well how I figured this worked is that it would be a manipulation done at the start or as close to the start as possible. Actually.. wouldn't you have to have a "test tube" baby for this to work.. or do they got the tech now to somehow do it in the mothers womb..(heard nothing about that).
Thus you actually have less of a time frame for that chance then you would for .. say an abortion.. or any number of things.
And if it causes no problems.. then why not?
Though this can lead rise to the question "if we can choose the sex.. can we choose the eye, hair and skin color.. how 'bout pimples..?".. StarSplit anyone?(I think I got the title right)
Anyways that last bit there.. could be a bit hairy.. and could lead to problems.
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And a logical stance. Guns can be used for good and harm - as most any scientific advancement. Whie fixing a 'fetuses' cells may not be entirely evil, who knows what come next. Thats where I see the defensive point commin in. It is scince though- and it stops for nobody. Just to clarify, I am all for medicine and cures of mostly all sorts when they don't involve testing on unwilling victums and such. I just think that changing your lets say soon to be son - into a female would pose some issues for the child in some way or another.Everytime there is some new technology that someone doesn't like the arguement is always: well, that could help millions but there *might* be somebody, somewhere willing to do bad things. That's quite a reactionary stance.
--DNA--
Also it was said that you can change a fetus's sex but not a baby's sex? How is there a difference - once past blastoid stage - arn't all the DNA sequences the same through out the body? Hell right when the egg is fertilized you have your first DNA strand - it starts coppying right from there. So now how does this change take place? It baffles me lol
--On GOD--
I don't think its playing god - and if playing god is wrong - shouldn't we crusify all the people whome right stories and "play god" over thier imaginations. Honestly, I don't think we have the technology nore mental aptitude to even attempt to play god outside of our minds. Aeather you "Create life" or what not; I would not constitute these minamal achiements to playing god.
Bipper
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--DNA--
Also it was said that you can change a fetus's sex but not a baby's sex? How is there a difference - once past blastoid stage - arn't all the DNA sequences the same through out the body? Hell right when the egg is fertilized you have your first DNA strand - it starts coppying right from there. So now how does this change take place? It baffles me lol
Bipper
Well I ain't sure... as for why there is a difference. A fetus is the begining of development the very base. I have no doubt a forced sex change after birth could lead to trouble(more the longer you wait). However so early on I have seen no indication of problems. This is because the change, from what I know, happens even before the brain is formed.
I will research this more.. and see if I can find you something more exact on how it happens... sparked my interest you did.
Edit- Came accross this.. though ain't sure how true it is
"A fetus's brain is female by default (we all begin as female). If testosterone is produced the brain develops male, if estrogen is produced it remains female"
Also haven't found out any good info on it yet.. that or the tech really is backwards right now. And soon mom will drag me out. So I'll have to try again later.
Last edited by ShunNakamura; 08-18-2005 at 09:25 PM.
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It's true. XX/XY (female/male) chromosome thing.
graphic description ahead...
Yeah, male hormones during pregnancy supress the formation of breasts, drop the ovaries(to become the testicles) and elongate the clitoris. The amount of hormones determines penis size and sometimes muscle mass and body fat mass.
Smile even though its breaking
Well with that knowledge.. it is almost quite easy to guess one way they could perform such an opporation.. which in my mind proves it to be fine... Afterall you just prod it to the line you want it to take.. parents already do that with thier kids.
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I am well aware of all this XX/XY and begining female - but its not just changing one chromozone to a 'x' or 'y'. There are billions of DNA strands in the body - changing one would be like slapping lipstick on me and calling me the hottest chick ever! -- Dont do it!
Thats where it seems not so feasable to me. Just changing genetic code; wouldn't the body try to reject the forein DNA; as it does for transplants and such. Its true, the body will often time see a donor part as a forein object (as it truely is) and attack it. The do have ways around this - obviously, but it still seems... i dunno. Then again - when the world is 100% hot chicks.. who would complain :rolleyes2 Societies cookie cutter is not always right.
Bipper
I see nothing wrong with deciding your child's sex. In fact, I think I would do it myself, if my (future) wife agrees. Girls are more fun than boys.
Because they are the parents, not the child. Just because they are giving the child life, does not mean that they deserve any kind of control over the childs body.Why? And theyre giving it life in the first place, Why the heck cant they be picky if being pickys an option? And in the average case (when its not in China or something along those lines)what real difference will it make?
Parents don't deserve "rights" over their children. A parent is obligated to provide and get nothing in return. Don't like it? Don't have children.
Nobody deserves control over the physical body of another human being, fetus, sperm, egg, etc. except for the individual himself. No exceptions,
And amen! go go nik0!
Great summary
Yeah, but if any culture I can think of that would be that stupid can't afford this kind of operation.
The "it's not natural" argument is too stupid for words.
I, for one, would never even consider this kind of thing. But if people want it, they will have it.
What happens when a person grows up, knows they could have been changed into something they'd rather be, but wasn't? Then they can begrudge their parents for not taking action.
It's a very, very simplified way of putting it, but it certainly isn't false.
Basically, an egg carries an X chromosome, and a sperm can carry an X or a Y. If it carried a Y, that Y carried the SRY gene, which begins the process of hormone releases (including releases of inhibitory hormones to keep female hormones from releasing; one of the reasons for sexually ambiguous people), but innitially the fetus is in the position to develop into a female. It's far more complicated than just testosterone or estrogen, but it's a sufficient explaination if you're not interested in learning the whole sexual differentiation process.
Has this ever happened even once?What happens when a person grows up, knows they could have been changed into something they'd rather be, but wasn't? Then they can begrudge their parents for not taking action.
Not that it matters, because this argument still doesn't hold. You're going to let parents do this over the chance that the child may wish that he or she was a different gender? I mean c'mon now.. There is no way a parent can know what gender their child will want to be. Should they take blind guesses? If you pick it randomly, it's no different than letting it happen naturally.
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