Yeah, we don't call people names in this forum. --foa
Yeah, we don't call people names in this forum. --foa
I explained my view on the why.
And dont be so rude, it works my nerves...
I need a cig
Bipper
ps look for a lil irony in this post... just look real hard
I'm not talking to you.
T-MaN, we know that the cigarette companies have the money to do so. It's whether or not it's moral or not to force them to pay for their clients health care (which is not their place). Why in the hell would they lose billions, set themselves up for failure, and lose to pay all of that medical insurance when (a) it is the individual's responsibility, and (b) it is the individual's choice whether or not to smoke?
Do illegal drug dealers have to pay repercussions to thier clientell?
Bipper
Uh... no? Why would they, unless they market the drugs with false information? Again - if people started smoking before it was revealed/discovered to be bad for you, they might have a case. If they started since then, it's their own fool fault.Originally Posted by bipper
The only thing I would try to force out of the Tabaco companies is that they have a free quiting program people can join. Afterall some people can't quit due to weak will power.. or lack of money for the aids that supposedly help.
Therefore they help people.. and many people would still smoke.. heck my mom I know doesn't want to quit.. so it would really only affect those who really really want to quit but for whatever reason have been unable to do so.
STILL Updating the anime list. . . I didn't think I was that much of an anime freak! I don't even want to consider updating the manga list!
Geez, what a great way to put things. Calling people idiots. :rolleyes2 My intention was to show that if tobacco companies are making so much money off people, they should use some of that money to help smokers.
Although it is the smoker's responsibility (as stated before), the tobacco companies should help out their customers a bit. They are selling death-causing items, and the least they could do is to provide some sort of healthcare payment for their customers. It would be the responsible thing to do.
As for the other statement on tobacco companies losing money due to paying for their smoker's healthcare, I don't think that they will encounter a huge problem. I mean, they are making bundles of money every day right? If tobacco companies provide some sort of healthcare payment for their smokers, then more people will feel safe about smoking, and in result, it might cause an increase in smokers (which will make more money for the companies.).
"Feed me."
You're missing one HUGE point: it doesn't matter how much money the cigarette companies have. It only matters whose responsibility it is for the man lying in the hospital. Whether the cigarette companies have $5 or $5 billion is irrelevent.Well, seeing how the average cigarette pack costs near $4-$8, and the average smoker smokes near a pack a day (maybe not the WHOLE pack but pretty close to it.), it results in $28-$56 per week in cigarette consumption. As days go by...it results in $112-$224 used per month. Let's go by year now, which would be $1344-$2688. If you live to be near the age of 50, you will have spent over $100,000. As you know, the level of smoking increases as you smoke because there is more demand for nicotine in your body. Thus, eventually you will end up smoking more than a pack a day later on in life. According to this typical teenager example you might end up smoking near a million. Remember that this is for only one person.
A large population of the world smokes, and most of them have been smoking since they were teens. You can imaging for yourself how much money the tobacco companies are making each day.
So far, if the tobacco companies can spend that much on just advertising and promoting their products, don't you think that they should be able to pay the healthcare of their customers? If the tobacco companies reduced their total spending on advertising by at least half, they would be able to spend the rest of the money helping those who are suffering due to tobacco.
As you know, reducing advertising reduces more non-smokers to become a smoker which eventually leads to a more smoke-free environment in the future.
Although it is the choice for some people to smoke, they still should recieve healthcare payments from the tobacco companies. Just look at how much the average smoker spends, and what if they don't have enough money to pay their healthcare bills due to buying so many cigarette packs over their course in life? It happens.
Unless I point a gun to your head and demand you smoke(or otherwise threaten the use of force), you were not forced to smoke. "Society made me do it!" is the excuse of a person abdicating the responsibility of living his own life.Others are forced into smoking at an early age due to peers, being cool, etc. It isn't generally their fault that they smoke and have continued throughout their life. Tobacco companies should pay for their healthcare. It is because of tobacco companies that all this mess started in the first place right? So, it should be their responsibility to take care of their customers' health.
You can always control yourself. Nicotine makes you want to smoke, but you by no means are forced to because of it.
12 Step Program for Non-Dummies:
1) Means.
2) Means
3) Means
4) Means
5) Means
6) Means
7) Means
8) Means
9) Means
10) Means
11) Means
12) DON'T smurfING SMOKE.
I smoked regularly for almost three years. Know how I quit. I didn't smoke anymore.
So, in short, no, I don't think anyone else is responsible for paying the man's medical bills.
This is what I think.
I don't think the tobacco company should pay for this guy's health insurance. Even though they were at a slight fault, but it was not like they made the guy to smoke in the first place. The person most responsible is the man himself. He smoked the cigarrettes, his health declined, and now he's piling up a huge bill for being hospitalized. I feel sorry for him somewhat, but it was his own fault for not quitting in the first place. Besides, the tobacco company are in enough trouble as it is for their false advertisements in the first place.
Apparently, I have been declared banished.
It's not the Tobacco company's responsibility to help a smoker quit. It's not their responsibility to provide health care for those who need it due to the cigarettes reaking havoc on a smoker's health. It's not even their responsibility to produce cigarettes that are less harmful to the smoker.
Their only responsibility to their customers is to print the mandated warning labels and not deceive the public about the dangers of smoking. It might not be nice but that's as far as their obligation goes.
The rest is up to the individual. If you choose to take a cigarette from a carton that has words like, "Lung Cancer", "Heart Disease", and "Emphysema" printed on it and proceed to smoke that cigarette, it's your own stupid fault.
As far as I know, only one man has ever been paid compensation by Big Tabacco for the damages caused to his health as a result of his addiction to a product that was not, at the time, labeled as dangerous and harmful. No one who started smoking after 1964 can blame anyone other than themselves.
No one who started or continued smoking after 1964 can blame anyone but themselves. As Shlup said, you can always quit.
I'm just trying to point out that since tobacco companies have so much money to spare, why not use a little bit to help out with healthcare? You do understand that right?
This I understand and in a way agree, but you must understand that peer pressure also contribute for teens to start smoking.Unless I point a gun to your head and demand you smoke(or otherwise threaten the use of force), you were not forced to smoke. "Society made me do it!" is the excuse of a person abdicating the responsibility of living his own life.
"Feed me."
No, I don't. They can if they willingly choose to, but they cannot be forced to do anything for something that's not their direct responsibility.I'm just trying to point out that since tobacco companies have so much money to spare, why not use a little bit to help out with healthcare? You do understand that right?
"If you don't smoke this, you're not cool" is not a valid form of force.This I understand and in a way agree, but you must understand that peer pressure also contribute for teens to start smoking.
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