and so it begins

[Cloud No.9]

charles clarke. the uk home secretary has a wacky idea. lets deport people. not a new idea. but lets deport them not for a crim in another country but one in the uk. lets just send them back to their "country of origin". shall we try them first? no. do they need to have committed a crime? no. what do they need to have done? "unaccpetable behaviour". he has a whole list of things that you can be sent away from. saying a jihad s good, saying martyrom is good, the usual evil stuf those "dirty muslims" try and say.

but there are laws against this right? yes. the human rights act of the eu and un as well as a few others. oh yes it's vey illegal. does this do anything else? oh yes it does. we can deport them to countries that practice torture. and we're allowed to do that? hell no we're not. so they will torture them? no because we asked them not to and they said they wouldn't so it must be fine.

is it just me who sees the flaw in this whole plan? why did we need assurances that they wouldn't be tortured if we were sure they wouldn't be tortured. we should not be sending people to countries which practice it. having to ask proves that we think or know they do. that is so stupid and illegal it's insane.

and to send back untried men? what is this sudan? zimbabwe?

so what we are doing is sending back untried men who haven't committed a legal crime to countries which practice torture. and this will start this week.

thoughts?

[Razael: The Angel Slayer]

Australia was orignally founded as a penal colony of colonial Britain, the people here don't really seem to mind.

The Australian government has passed a law regarding the imprisonment and/or deportation of radical, racial Muslim clerics.

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RAZAEL

[Madame Adequate]

Actually, although I'm entirely with Cloud on this one, I do have to wonder why they're going to be tortured if they've done nothing.

Anyways, my problem is that this goes far too far. It's not about stopping terrorists from fermenting more support, it's about victimizing and criminalizing anyone who voices anything other than solidarity with the government's actions.

Mmmm, gotta love that lack of obviously and easily-found enumerated personal rights.

[nik0tine]

Wow, I can officially now say that Britain is a worse country than the United States. I am GLAD that I don't live there.

[jrgen]

This is ridiculous indeed. I wouldn't like to live in a country that could deport me for "glorifying terrorism". Although don't the USA have similar rules? I've heard stories about people being deported for surfing on "terroristic websites" and similar things.

[Jebus]

Nah. You don't usually get deported for that stuff here. Usually you're just arrested, and imprisoned without a trial due to the Patriot Act.

[Cloud No.9]

"I do have to wonder why they're going to be tortured if they've done nothing." to make them confess obviously. nothing like a witch hunt to make the world go round.

[Teek]

I'm with Cloud (believe it or not). Appalling.

Who in particular is advocating this?

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

are they british citizens or foreign nationals?

[Madame Adequate]

"I do have to wonder why they're going to be tortured if they've done nothing." to make them confess obviously. nothing like a witch hunt to make the world go round.

Fair point there.

Mr. Mojo: I think it's only foreign-born persons, but even those who have legal British citizenship are on the potential lists.

[Resha]

Is this like the Red Scare?! o_o

[Cloud No.9]

"Who in particular is advocating this?"

the new national socialist labour government. the law is from the home secretary.

(and wasn't i meant to be banned from this forum? i'm confused to what has happened recently on here so sorry if the ban is still meant to be there.)

[nik0tine]

Is this like the Red Scare?! o_o

Yes. I don't see much of a difference between the Red Scare and this new "terror scare"

[Cloud No.9]

i think it's worse now. muslims are easier to spot than communists. racist attacks are bound to get more common. and so these laws will get more backing in a way as the supposed threat is more visible.

[Resha]

Is this like the Red Scare?! o_o

Yes. I don't see much of a difference between the Red Scare and this new "terror scare"

Yeah, it looked pretty similar. But...I guess it is worse, because this is now. We're supposed to haver evolved and be beyond this stuff. >=/ :rolleyes2