and so it begins

[Cloud No.9]

governments and the media will still have immense power over people's fear. look at the sun for instance. it openly supported the assualt of abu hamza in jail even though he has never been tried (not sure if he has infact been charged yet).

we are on a very slippery slope here. hatred of people will lead us down the same route germany went down. these laws are making the way for that.

i for one totally oppose this and i see my country becoming a police state and i will not tolerate it. i believe that if human rights continue to be breached in this country then there is only one solution to end this pattern.

[Optium]

It's sort of humorous (for a severe lack of a better word) to see England
doing basically the exact same things that the US did in reply to 9/11.

Yes, you do get deported, in a sense, in the US. Guantanamo Bay anyone?

.opt

[Cloud No.9]

we've tortured people before. we won't have a camp for it. we'll just do it in police stations and interview rooms.

or we'll just export them to countries that will torture them like we are doing now.

charles clarke said an interesting thing. he said that the human rights of the bombing victims come above these "preachers of evil". well first and foremost these people are not guilty of any crime and even if they were have not even been charged let alone tried. and as far as human rights go. he's wrong. all human rights apply equally to everyone. even if these people were guilty.

i personally believe that he needs to be got rid off asap. and if that means making him a martyr so be it. but he should not be in charge of this and is even more idiotic and oppressive than blunket ever was. and if saying that gets me shipped off to whatever place i am racially traced to be from so be it. dead or alive that man should have no say on anything.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

What if these policies stop terrorist attacks?

[Resha]

What if these policies stop terrorist attacks?

Well, using the Red Scare as an example...it hardly ever does. In fact, if people start resenting what's happening to them, don't you think there's a higher chance that people would change to radical beliefs?

It's just an excuse, isn't it, to get the people out of the country? Perfect opportunity. Just accuse them of being involved in suspicious activities, and bam. Your move is justified. Oh, yes, maybe in a few years time, people will investigate it and find out that half the people deported were completely innocent and yadda yadda, but what can be done by then?

[Wuggly Blight]

Im not waving my flag while smiling my way into this notion of what the goverment wants to do, you can out "To stop terrorist" infront of anything to try and justify it.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Well, using the Red Scare as an example...it hardly ever does. In fact, if people start resenting what's happening to them, don't you think there's a higher chance that people would change to radical beliefs?

Well, Bolshevism was sent packing about 15 years ago.

I just hate the idea that our resistance to terrorism is causing terrorism. That's just plain corny. What should we do? Hug them? Invite more 'unpopular opinions?' If somebody is actually sitting on the fence, then I don't mind pushing them over.

[Destai]

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[Resha]

Well, using the Red Scare as an example...it hardly ever does. In fact, if people start resenting what's happening to them, don't you think there's a higher chance that people would change to radical beliefs?

Well, Bolshevism was sent packing about 15 years ago.

I just hate the idea that our resistance to terrorism is causing terrorism. That's just plain corny. What should we do? Hug them? Invite more 'unpopular opinions?' If somebody is actually sitting on the fence, then I don't mind pushing them over.

I'm not talking about the resistance to terrorism. If there's a terrorist in there, or someone indulging in suspicious terror-related activities, by all means, kick them out, do whatever. I'm talking about deporting people who are innocent.

[Madame Adequate]

Well, using the Red Scare as an example...it hardly ever does. In fact, if people start resenting what's happening to them, don't you think there's a higher chance that people would change to radical beliefs?

Well, Bolshevism was sent packing about 15 years ago.

I just hate the idea that our resistance to terrorism is causing terrorism. That's just plain corny. What should we do? Hug them? Invite more 'unpopular opinions?' If somebody is actually sitting on the fence, then I don't mind pushing them over.

No, I get where you're coming from there. I have no problem with people who are actually trying to design or plan acts of terror being kicked out. But even if someone is advocating terrorism, there are no grounds for expelling them from the country. If someone says "The people who died on July 7th deserved it." you can bet I'd be the first in line to smash something heavy into their face, but I will absolutely under no circumstances say they should be kicked out of the country.

Aside from that, the problem is this basically gives the government carte blanch to kick out anyone who they don't like. "Eh, that dude's making trouble about our new ID card plan. Get him out of here." It's not a far stretch anymore, especially as the government are very fond of claiming the ID card scheme will help combat terrorism.